Dr. David Owuor and the East African quakes

December 6, 2005 at 4:23 pm 100 comments

It is my suggestion that sentiments to the effect that there could be a spiritual angle to these things that has not been captured by the local media (for reasons best known to them) be thoroughly investigated.
A few months ago (June, I think), some local and international Christians spoke in sentiments captured by sections of the media to warn that God was / is angry with us over the increase of sin within and outside His Body in this country (sexual immorality / lusts of the flesh, unfaithffulnness in interpersonal relationships, financial corruption, pride of the eyes, pride of life, including reports that some known believers / clergymen had resorted to seeking and using powers of darkness with which to serve God in preaching of the word, healing the sick, etc..etc). 
The message was that we repent or perish, – perishing could come in several ways, including earthquakes (Nairobi, Mombasa and Kisumu were listed as places of extreme concern to the Lord).
Expectedly, the responses were varied.
The Head of State, reportedly informed of the impending disasters, cared about it his own way; he sent a minister to represent Him at a national day of repentance at Nyayo Stadioum (very much unlike what one sees in Nineveh when Jonah talks about more or less the same thing).
Some leading Church leaders here were reported to have poured cold water on the same and, like sections of our otherwise robust media / other skeptics, insisted that there was no need to get hysterical about anything, after all “God loves Kenya and Kenyans.” 
I know of a few congregations where believers got into individual and corporate repentance…some have persisted at it to this day…but that’s where we are.
They say there is an intense spiritual contest for the heart and soul of this country on-going at the moment, off-shots of which are reportedly being expressed in debates about some of our national issues. 
Certainly, it would be fool-hardy generally to want to characterize the East African quakes in light of what is happening elsewhere in the world but I think it would be useful for one of the persons who was reported to have predicted such here to come out and explain the latest phenomenon. 
Dr. David Owuor, where are you?   

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  • 1. Rayolla  |  December 7, 2005 at 2:46 pm

    Well events catastrophic or othrewise elicit diverse interpretation. Some quaters may term them miracles if they are good or curses if bad or some other terminology related to mostly belief or inclination. I wish to analyze this tremor issue based on what I think the facts are;

    1. This event is purely natural and
    2. the causes are perfectly natural – including the manmade ones.

    As has been said the epicentre is in some kind of seismic zone (prone to earthquakes) and I doubt we need a prophet to tell us otherwise. More importantly to a degree of extent the area about the epicentre has been the centre of mining activities. Virtually vacuo have been created under the earth and any slight disturbance is likely to cause reaarangement of the underlieng strata to fill in the void. Examples abound you only have to look no further than Iran; oil rigs etc

    I’ve met Dr. Owuor and he is a likeable man, with a conviction probably as great as the spleandour of heaven itself. He advocates righteousness and probably he is what he say he is, I can not be judge of that. All I know is he is one of the few believers I’ve met that make you reconsider your warm/cold faith, he actually believes in the power of revelation, but the Jury is out there.

    The earthquake was perfectly natural and we only hope we don’t get future devastating effects whetger due to man-made or natural effects.

  • 2. Patriot  |  December 7, 2005 at 4:19 pm

    it is clear that as christians we continue to come home after church saying my pastor has said this and that….my pastor has said…. did it ever occur to you to check what the bible says. preachers are all human and one time or the other we make commnets that are of our own making.yes i do agree with you that morality ha sincreased in mother kenya and am sure God is not for it. but if u revert to your bible and read it well and ask God for wisdom u will realise that after the coming of Jesus of nazareth, and worse the crucifiction of Jesus christ God does not act out in anger towards u. can you link Jesus christ as he was full of love,care and mercy striking you all down with an earth quake. it is good for us to attack raila and kiraitu over the forum but false accussation to the almighty are beyond our rights of free speech. your claim or the claim by those evangelists is as ludicris as saying…..the sunami in most muslim countries was a p;unishment from God to them. please read the gospels and tell me how you connect the death and destruction of people to God’s wrath before the second coming of Jesus christ.please read the bible and ask God for wisdom to understand his word but do not hear the evangelist and make a conclusion, it’s not fair on christ

  • 3. Jesse  |  December 7, 2005 at 4:27 pm


    For avoidance of doubt, I’m a believing and practising Christian.

    I’m not under any illusions that guys are not wont to say or do anything in the name of Christ these days.

    All I’m suggesting is that the one guy who was widely reported to have expressed such sentiments be called to account.

    When such statements are dismissed as generally wild / hysterical / unsubstantiated, I think we do ourselves (Christians or not) a disfavour in two ways:

    1. We lend credence to Karl Marx’s adage that religion is the opiate of the masses.

    2. We abandon our fellow country men and women, most of whom have no time or capacity for intellectual leisure as some of us obviously do, to the vagaries of deceitful / conceited men and women of the cloth.

    Finally, I would be interested in a govt response on this because Dr. Alfred Mutua was reported in sections of our media earlier in the week as calming Kenyans following the incident.

  • 4. jizafrik  |  December 7, 2005 at 4:31 pm

    Patriot i think you have opened a light in me that i hadn’t thought of . Truth of the matter is that the Lord Jesus came to bring salvation (both of body and soul) as explaine d in John 3:16-17. So natural calamities are not a punishment from God because judgment will come after death where we shall be accountable for all our sins. Plus even Jesus said that these things shall happed but shall not be an indication of the end. the end will come in times of peace and pleasure!

    PS it is also biblical as it were to question everything that we here an research them on our own,

  • 5. Anonymous  |  March 15, 2006 at 12:21 am

    Praise the LORD. Im Dr. David Owuor. The LORD has spoken with me about the Earthquakes and HE has commanded that we repent so that church can prepare for the Rapture. On the 30th Octobr 2005 I prophecied that this E.African Earthquake was going to come and a month later it appears after the initial earlier warning. Surely The LORD is very serious and HE has sent me to prophecy events such as the Asian Tsunami a moth before it occurred, Pakistani Earthquake, Afghanistani Earthquake (24hr warning), and the current tonardos in Illinois. Let the Church repent and prepare for the LORD. A

  • 6. Anonymous  |  March 15, 2006 at 12:24 am

    Im Dr Owuor. You can all get the prophecy out of the Kapsokwany repentance meeting on 30th October 2005. The tapes are available call 0721-370-150 or 0724-268-148

  • 7. Joseph Shaha  |  July 24, 2006 at 4:22 pm

    I need to be freed fro masonic curses please help me

  • 8. Jackie  |  December 31, 2006 at 7:07 pm

    Thanks for your post, i have some new insides for my study


  • 9. Blogs, news and more!  |  January 11, 2007 at 5:45 am

    very nice blog!mary

  • 10. Herbert  |  February 23, 2007 at 12:15 pm

    I think we need to take this gentle man seriously. If he predicted the Tsunammi and the Katrina, then what else can one believe! The truth is that we have had a lot of immoral things going on in the country. Highest on the list are sexual indulgences, lack of sacntity for life (murder, abortions etc.), rape of minors and senior citizens alike (actually all age groups), car-jackings and robbery of finacial institutions just to name a few. At the same time the clergy have not been very vocal about these things. I don’t know but it is said that they have not been clean either and so lack the moral conviction to point out these things. Can we turn back to God and serve Him diligently! God will never be happy until we repent from out hearts – I included.

  • 11. Herbert  |  February 23, 2007 at 12:19 pm

    I need to meet this man of God, Dr. Owuor. Can someone help me by sending me his contacts. I need help from him or anyone who can help me get true deliverance from a reputable servant of God. Please reach me on the email: herald91@yahoo.co.uk

  • 12. iPhone forum  |  July 15, 2007 at 12:58 am

    nice site.

  • 13. Joash Fredrick Obuya  |  July 31, 2007 at 5:26 pm

    Well it is high time that the world take change ,so whether you believe Dr DAVID OWUOR or not that is not the case as we are even told that in the End there will come the false and the true prophets but yes it has come so Dr Owuor is one of the prophets so his words and visions must be taken into account because some of his prediction have prooven right so lets pray and repent so that even if Dr is not a real prophet we can be on the safe side but to me Owuor is a man of God So Dr Owuor help the world
    God bless you

  • 14. HELLEN CHERUTO LETAYA  |  August 5, 2007 at 6:46 pm

    Praise the lord, I want to have your Tel No. I want your direct prayers. I have been looking how to meet you in vain.

    My telephone No is 0736 48 88 51

    God bless you.

  • 15. mathews onyango  |  August 13, 2007 at 4:32 pm

    I think it is a real time people take the word seriously and repent for real. If we are not carefull, one day we will wake up on the judgement line. In the bible, there are only two sins that God said cannot be forgiven one of them is blasphemy of the holy Spirit, those who are still talking ill and misleasleading the flock away from their creator will be delt with accordingly.
    Churches have turn the house to a market wheremost pastors are running nice excell programmes for the tithes and offering they havecompletely forgotten the way of the cross.
    We have heard, we have seen what are we waiting for? Lets repent and believe in what the Lord Commanded us to do.
    I am Mathews Onyango (Student)

  • 16. Anne  |  October 19, 2007 at 3:28 pm

    I believe in the Love of God, i also believe in the wrath of God. Dr. Owuor is a true prophet of God. Ask yourself, what has he to gain by asking people to repent and turn away from evil? isn’t that what the Bible tells us? and if indeed his prophecies (they all come true) are natural happenings, why is it that he is the only one who foresees them? if you’re in any doubt, ask the Holy Spirit to give you discernment.


  • 17. Pastor Job Nandwa  |  March 20, 2008 at 11:16 am

    l believe Prophet Owuor is the servant of the most High God and lam willing to work with him in the furtherance of the gospel of Jesus Christ.lam looking for his e-mail address and also his website sothat l may follow up what the Lord Jesus is telling His church in the latter days in preparation for the rapture.l know of many christians who have openly reviled the prophet instead of asking God to reveal tothem if the prophet was His servant.l did so and the Lord has spoken to me that Prophet Owuor is His servant.

  • 18. Ann  |  March 31, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    Dear Pastor Job,

    I praise the Lord Jesus for his faithfulness.

    You can visit any of the Repentance and Holiness ministries altars countrywide for more information. If in Nairobi, you are welcome to Kenya Polytechnic Rm 408.
    GOD bless you mightly.

  • 19. pst charles m mugo  |  April 6, 2008 at 6:54 pm

    i strongly believe that prophet owuor is aman sent by the lord to warn the immoral and rekles people to repent and turn from wicked ways and thats why they cannot receive him because it is to repent or to perish he is not soothing them.

  • 20. YVONNE OMONDI  |  April 6, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    When Dr Owuor prophesied BLOODSHED in Kenya sometime in 2005, some of our so called Pastors and church leaders were heard saying, ISHINDWE! WENGINE, BADALA YA KUHUBIRI DAMU YA YESU, WANAHUBIRI DAMU YA WAKENYA! We saw how much blood was shed during the skirmishes and indeed it proved that the prophecies are true. What do these same (tithe collecting, seed planting and prado buying) Pastors have to say now? How many people are they waiting to bury as a result of the great famine Dr Owuor prophesied before they can call the flock to repentance? Or do they fear losing their ill gotten material wealth? God must surely hold these men and women accountable.

  • 21. Ann  |  April 15, 2008 at 10:24 am

    You are all welcome to a mighty service by the servant of GOD Prophet Owuor on Thursday 17th April at City Hall from 2pm. May GOD bless you.

  • 22. daniel  |  May 27, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    to dr OWUOR.
    Am a servant of GOD, and would like to meet you concerning a message from GOD about the ENDTIME And the forthcoming rapture of the bride.
    both the contacts you provided earlier ,the 0722 and 0721 numbers have been un helpful in leting me meet you.
    please contact me on this number 0723562693 or dankanyingi@yahoo.co.uk

  • 23. cosmas  |  June 9, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    Prophet Dr.Owuor is absolutely a man of GOD,
    May GOD bless him and keep him strong in the Lord’s service.
    Please man of GOD pray that I may stand out to be faithfull to Jesus in the midist of this rebelious generation.
    Pray as well that GOD may open the eyers of Nairobians to turn back to holiness.
    A humble child of GOD,

  • 24. musumba james  |  June 18, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    May the almighty God remember me on his second coming
    and also in his tender mercy, cause the church in Nairobi and the entire Nation of Kenye to repent and go back to holiness.
    remember ultimately jesus of Nazareth will come.
    Prophet Owour,may the lord who placed this word in you mouth bless you and keep you. shallom.
    I James
    a student
    in Kisii.

  • 25. Richard Nyawila  |  October 15, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    Wow ?
    This site is real and I need to say that the Prophet of God is speaking of the truth and we are not supposes to turn it down. The Bible say “When you hear my voice do not harden your hearts” Therefore the prophet is out to preach and bring people to repentance let us repent and mean business that we have repented.

  • 26. Rangwa  |  November 7, 2008 at 11:35 pm

    May God bless His servant, prophet Owuor.

  • 27. LULU  |  February 4, 2009 at 11:27 am

    I am very disturbed by the the sexual exploitation and defilement of our children in our society today.No one has come openly to rebuke this and put pressure on our judicial to act more harshly on such crimes-thats why i can understand Gods anger on this crimes how does a man rape a 6month old baby?how do doctors let a 3wk old baby hand rot and ask for its amputation?yet no one has come out to openly rebuke this .
    Kenya its true we need to wake up and live according to Gods will.
    Does anyone have Dr. Owuors contacts?

  • 28. k mang  |  February 8, 2009 at 5:47 pm

    please give me dr david owuor’s web site

  • 29. Perfect Victor  |  February 16, 2009 at 4:36 pm

    I have read many comments on this site and what I can conclude is that many of us do not read the bible. You don’t need to have been through a bible school to know that God deals with every individual who sins on his own.

    I can’t deny that God can judge a city or a nation for its sins but I have heard the people of the alters of “Holiness and Repentance” repent for the sins of Kenya, the sins of their forefathers, the sins of men, youth, women etc. Where do they find this?

    EZEKIEL 18:19 & 20
    19 Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, [and] hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live.
    20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

    I know that God has dealt with people before as a nation and that was Israel. The scriptures are clear that Israel was called by God as a nation and God deals with them as such.

    When the Lord sent the seventy two he said “Go only to the lost of the house of Israel…” But after they had crucifed he commanded the disciples to go “…into all the world” and this israel excluded because they were blinded to this very minute. Soon the two witnesses of Revelation 11:3 will take the gospel to them after the gentile bride is raptured and 1444,000 jews will accept Christ.

    God deals with every gentile as an individual!Acts 2:38 requires each and every one of us to repent and be baptized and we do not keep on repenting every time;

    HEBREWS 6:1
    1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

    But rather we confess our mistakes to one another;

    JAMES 5:16
    16 Confess [your] faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

    There is a great big difference between ‘Repentance” which is turning completely from our old ways and “Confessing” which is admiting the faults we have commited and it is a pity that Dr Owuor cannot differentiate this.

    About the prophecies I would have a lot to say but I feel this is not the right forum. I wish I could meet Prophet Owuor himself.

  • 30. bonface otieno oriaro  |  April 1, 2009 at 4:04 pm

    Dear DR OWUOR
    God bless you
    Bonface/Ruth family kisumu tel 0725605457

  • 31. peter  |  April 11, 2009 at 8:15 pm

    May God bless ypu continully everyay Man of God.

  • 32. Terence M. Blackett  |  May 5, 2009 at 2:00 pm

    Men today are still being duped by false prophets, false teachers and doomsday-Sayers who themselves are NOT schooled in the prophetic word of God… Read Jeremiah chapter 5: 20 – 31 paying special attention to the two last verses.

    God has given us the prophecies of DANIEL & REVELATION so we would be in no doubt as to what the future holds…In these prophetic scrolls is the entire history and consummation of the human race…

    Let me challenges my readers to get a copy of –
    Available at Seventh Day Adventist bookstores or from any Church member who may have a copy to lend or give.

    These prophetic books of the Bible have either been neglected by the modern Church world or so-called men of God are clueless as to how unfold, unravel and diffuse the mysteries within the Word of God – line upon line, precept upon precept – a little here, a little there!!!

    The people of God has been warned since time immemorial that False Evidence Appears Real and IF it were possible, the very Elect would be deceived… Thank God, it will NOT happen!!! Why? SIMPLE!!! The ELECT have fortified themselves with the TRUTH that is found in God’s Word… Not the feeble machinations and silly renditions of other men’s mind who have clearly been permeated by the arch-deceiver totally unaware to them…

    Is this not evident in the myriad of co-called christian churches today where all kinds of gospels are being preached?

    Are we not told to try the spirits to see whether they are from God – because MANY false prophets have gone out into the world?

    I am still asking the modern day so-called prophets based EXCLUSIVELY on the sacred Oracle – The Bible, to explain where we are in the prophetic scheme of things…

    Not some made up, concocted “word” supposedly filtering down through their skulls from some light that shone brightly from up above – but from the WORD!!!

    How do you answer the following:

    (1) Has prophetic time based on the time sequences within the books of Daniel & Revelation been already expired?

    (2) Explain the 3 Angels of Rev:14. 6 -12 and what does the Angel of Rev. 18:1 say to the modern Church world today in the light of the previous 3 Angels’ messages?

    (3) What spiritual and theological resonance can be given to Rev. 13: 13 – 18 in the light of last day events and clearly, has the modern-day “swineflu” which is being taught in regards to the “Mark of the Beast” hold proper interpretive hermeneutic or exegetical value?

    This is merely the tip of an iceberg of questions for the so-called teachers of the Word who for all intents and purposes are all reading from the same Book or meant to be singing from the same hymn sheet but have no HARMONY or consensus in what they are saying and continue to lead many down the garden path of perdition because “church-folks” refuse to read and study the Word of God for themselves…But would rather depend on pastors, prophets and televangelists for their “truths”…

    The same HOLY SPIRIT is available to all us in like manner – and, the SPIRIT speaks with ONE VOICE – not a multitude of differing opinions and agendas.

    No wonder Jesus sadly remarked, “When I return will I find faith upon the earth?”

    But then there are false prophets and teaching some “coswobble” about a secret RAPTURE of the church before Christ return a 2ND time…

    I challenge anyone to prove that from the Scriptures!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    So, I have thrown out another challenge to my internet audience…Questions deserve answers, correct?

    But answers are only forthcoming if folks are studying to show themselves approved – knowing that every workman MUST be able to rightfully divide the Word of Truth….

    I await your answers…

    Be Blessed and be inspired!!!!

  • 33. perfect victor  |  May 5, 2009 at 4:26 pm

    What is the great controversy? The prophecies of Daniel and Revelation? Ofcourse there are two books the devil hates most; the book of Genesis because in it we get the revelation of how he started his deception and the book of Revelation which reveals his end. The entire bible speaks of the redemption work of the Lord Jesus Christ. As for this book called “The Great Controversy” I do not know! The book contains a lot of historical errors. For instance it says that Sunday became a day of worship after a certain emperor declared it so. It is a pity! We all know that Paul went to the synagogues on Saturdays to preach to Judaists NOT Christians. Paul taught Christians in a School during every sunday’s fellowship for two years and in the synagogue on saturdays. The emperor made the decree to force the Romans to do what the apostles were already doing. That’s what history says. I don’t find any justified controversy in that book except extremist teachings of a false Christianity. The only justifiable controversy is in 1Timothy 3:16; the mystery of the Godhead.
    I do not believe in the many false prophets of our day but I can assure you that some of them can teach the adventists, with their intellectual Christianity, a whole lot about holiness. Of course we need a lot of studying of the scriptures but we need holiness too. Let no man deceive you with vain intellectual arguments. they are no good, you require a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ.

    • 34. Terence M. Blackett  |  May 7, 2009 at 7:04 pm

      For those who choose to be deceived by false, erroneous teaching – that’s on them. Again, the thorny issue of SABBATH worship as against SUNDAY sacredness is the loci and the test of postmodern spiritual and religious allegiance.

      Not very long from now, Church & State will decree (by passing laws in the United States under the aegis and auspices of the Vatican) in direct contravention to the perpetuity and purity of the American Constitution – rites given in the spirit of liberty of conscience and the freedom to serve the GOD of our choosing without the mandate of laws or legislation enshrining obeisance to “MAN-MADE” directives based on who we must serve and when…

      We are WARNED that when the STATE or the GOVERNMENT legislates on what day we should worship – then we know that we have entered the period that has been described in Rev. 13.

      It is sad to see that modern-day religionists are still struggling with PAULINE doctrine as if postmodern liberation theology is an exegetical EXCUSE to do what you want – when you want and that God will accept it… We forget that God is changeless…He reminds us that He alone is GOD and He changes NOT!!!!

      Sadly, we twist and turn with every wind of doctrine, wrestling with the Scriptures to our own damnation.

      Let’s see what Paul is saying in the “SO-CALLED” controversial epistles like Colossians 2 and Romans 14 as a starting point.

      In Col.2:6 – 23, we have a subheading – “Freedom from Rules and the New Life in Christ.” What is Paul saying in verse 16?

      “So don’t let anyone condemn you for what to eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or sabbaths”….end of quote.

      Many well-meaning Christians in our postmodern world use this as a justification and even an excuse to eat, drink and do as they please.

      If we allow the Scriptures to speak to us through the anointing of the BLESSED HOLY SPIRIT, we will recognize that there is no contradiction in the Word of God or in the CONTEXTUAL analysis of history or within the interpretation of the Word.

      False teachings had begun to creep into the early church. Paul was intending to meet this head on by setting the record straight.

      The death of Christ had torn down the veil of the antiquated Jewish mosaic rites and ceremonial laws down the middle from top to bottom revealing the Most Holy Place ( a better Covenant through His Blood) where a final mediation according to Hebrews Chapter 8, 9 and 10 could be done through Jesus The Christ who is our High Priest, standing before GOD -THE FATHER doing a final work in the Heavenly Sanctuary so it could be finally cleansed before He return a 2nd time to give every man according to his works.

      We know from a proper contextual reading of the Word that the “ceremonial law” was done away with…its new moons, sabbaths (religious holidays) and all the rites of passage enjoined upon the children of Israel (which up to the time of Jesus first advent – was a grievous yoke around the necks of His people). But that is what STATE religion does to us!!!

      Jesus came to set men free but many think that the “MORAL LAW” which is HIS 10 Commandments written with the “FINGER of GOD” can be changed or altered depending on where you stand according to popular convention.

      But listen with your heart to what STATE religion says about the change in GOD’s LAW:-

      “Quoting ‘ The Convert’s Catechism Of Catholic Doctrine’ by Rev. Peter Geiermann on pages 50 – 51 – it says:

      The 3rd Commandment.

      Q. What is the 3rd Commandment?
      A. The 3rd Commandment is: Remember that thou keep the holy the Sabbath day.
      Q. Which is the Sabbath day?
      A. Saturday is the Sabbath day.
      Q. Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
      A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the CATHOLIC CHURCH transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.
      Q. Why did the CATHOLIC CHURCH substitute Sunday for Saturday?
      A. The Church substituted Sunday for Saturday, because Christ rose from the dead on a Sunday, and the Holy Spirit descended upon the Apostles on a Sunday.
      Q. By what authority did the Church substitute Sunday for Saturday?
      A. The Church substituted Sunday for Saturday by the plenitude of that divine power which Jesus Christ bestowed upon her.
      Q. What does the 3rd Commandment command?
      A. The 3rd Commandment commands us to sanctify Sunday as the Lord’s Day.
      Q. What does the 3rd Commandment forbid?
      A. The 3rd Commandment forbids (1) The omission of prayer and divine worship; (2) All necessary servile work; (3) Whatever hinders the keeping of the Lord’s Day holy.
      Q. Is the desecration of the Lord’s Day a grievous matter?
      A. The desecration of the Lord’s Day is a grievous matter in itself, though it admits of light matter.

      The Fourth Commandment of the Bible says Exodus 20: 8 -11 “Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all your work: But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God…”

      I will continue my arguments in another postings!!!!

  • 35. Terence M. Blackett  |  May 7, 2009 at 7:13 pm

    To pick up where we left off –

    So if Saturday, or more accurately Sunset Friday to Sunset Saturday, is the true Sabbath of the Lord, then why do people go to church on Sunday?

    Who changed the day to Sunday, and when? Did Jesus? Do we keep Sunday in honour of his resurrection?

    It has been established by many historians and theologians that the books of Matthew and Luke were written between 60 and 80 AD. Luke does not tell us of a day change, but instead he states in Luke 23:56, “…And they rested on the Sabbath according to the Commandment.”

    Jesus also showed that the Sabbath would still be kept after the Cross when He was talking to the Disciples about the forthcoming destruction of the temple in about 70 AD. Jesus says in Matthew 24:20, “And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath.”

    Historians also confirm that the Seventh Day Sabbath was kept by Jews and Gentiles alike, until about 120 AD when the persecution of the Jews for Sabbath keeping became so great that many Christians decided to start keeping Sunday, so as to distance themselves from the Jews. Some began using the excuse that it was in honour of the resurrection, as there was no Biblical basis for the change.

    In 321 A.D. Constantine, who was a pagan, became Caesar in Rome and when he began to see the balance of power shift from paganism to the Church he passed the first law enforcing Sunday worship in 321 AD. Two years later he joined the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH and began mingling paganism and Christianity. It was well after 400 AD before Sunday eventually took on the name of the Lord’s Day.

    In many papers and documents the Roman Catholic Church openly take credit for moving the sanctity of the Seventh day Sabbath to Sunday, by their own authority, which they say is above that of THE BIBLE…. Quoted in Convert’s Catechism!!!

    “The authority of the church could therefore not be bound to the authority of the Scriptures, because the Church had changed…the Sabbath into Sunday, not by command of Christ, but by its own authority.” Canon and Tradition, p. 263.

    So it seems that if we keep the Sabbath on the Seventh day, we are following God’s Commandment, but if we keep Sunday, we are following the traditions of man. Does that really matter?

    The Bible says in Mark 7:6-9 “Jesus answered this nagging question for us by quoting the prophet:-

    “How right Isaiah was when he prophesied about you! You are hypocrites, just as he wrote: ‘These people, says God – honor me with their words, but their heart is really far away from me. It is no use for them to worship me, because they teach human rules as though they were my laws!’ “You put aside God’s command and obey human teachings.”

    And Jesus continued, “You have a clever way of rejecting God’s law in order to uphold your own teaching.”

    WE NEED TO SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES DILIGENTLY to see whether what we believe is actually TRUTH!!!!

    I will pause here and continue with one final post by one of my mentors – Dr. R. Ames…

  • 36. Terence M. Blackett  |  May 7, 2009 at 8:05 pm

    These are my final thought – you will decide what the Holy Spirit is saying to you personally as an individual….

    Paul regularly preached to the Jews on the Sabbath. But did he also speak to the Gentiles on the Sabbath? Notice what he did in the Gentile city of Corinth, in Greece. “And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks” (Acts 18:4)! Yes, Paul preached to the Gentiles on the Sabbath!

    What happened after Paul’s usual Sabbath sermon to both Jews and Gentiles in the synagogue? “So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath” (Acts 13:42).

    If Jesus or the Apostles had changed the commanded day of worship to Sunday, here was a perfect opportunity for Paul to tell the Gentiles, “No, you don’t have to wait until next Saturday, we Christians now worship on Sunday. Meet with us tomorrow!”

    What does your Bible say? “On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the Word of God” (Acts 13:44). Paul taught the Gentile Christians on the Sabbath! He also commanded the Gentile Corinthians to follow his example. Remember Paul’s instruction, “Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ” (1 Corinthians 11:1).

    We may wonder: when did “mainstream” Christianity begin to observe Sunday instead of the Seventh-day Sabbath as a day of rest?

    Notice: “Tertullian (202AD) is the first writer who expressly mentions the Sunday rest:

    ‘We, however (just as tradition has taught us), on the day of the Lord’s Resurrection ought to guard not only against kneeling, but every posture and office of solicitude, deferring even our businesses lest we give any place to the devil’” (article: “Sunday,” The Catholic Encyclopedia).

    That was not until 202AD, more than 170 years after the death, burial, and resurrection of the Messiah, Jesus Christ!

    Later, in the fourth century ad, the Roman emperor Constantine enforced Sunday worship throughout his empire. Constantine had been a pagan sun-worshiper. He gave the following edict in 321ad:

    “On the venerable day of the Sun let all magistrates and people … rest” (article: “Sunday Legislation,” Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge).

    Disobedience to the emperor’s command could mean death to Sabbath-keeping Christians. Just a few years later, the Roman church also passed a startling decree at the Council of Laodicea. It declared:

    “Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, resting rather on Sunday. But, if any be found to be judaizing [keeping God’s Sabbath], let them be declared anathema from Christ” (A History of the Councils of the Church, p. 316).

    Christian Sabbath-keepers were labeled as heretics.

    Both the government and the churches moved against Christian Sabbath-keepers. Yet the true Christianity of the first century – which never stopped following Christ’s example of keeping the Fourth Commandment – has continued to this day, in spite of persecutions over the centuries.

    Millions in the United States today forget that many of the first American settlers crossed the Atlantic Ocean in the 17th century in search of religious freedom in the colonies of North America.

    Thousands came to Rhode Island to take advantage of its royal charter, granted in 1663 by King Charles II of England, which guaranteed religious freedom in the colony.

    To this day, that charter remains on display in the Providence, Rhode Island statehouse.

    Seventh-day Sabbath-keepers were among those who came to Rhode Island seeking religious freedom. Stephen Mumford and his wife, who came to Newport, Rhode Island in 1665, were the first Christian Sabbath-keepers documented to have settled in Rhode Island.

    Others followed, and by 1729 their group had expanded so much it needed a larger meeting hall. That hall, built in 1729, is still being preserved by the Newport Historical Society.

    If you are ever in Newport, Rhode Island you may want to visit that historic building. Inside the hall is a raised pulpit. Behind the pulpit are two large plaques, inscribed with the Ten Commandments. At the bottom of the second plaque is the Apostle Paul’s bold statement, “Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law” (Romans 3:31, KJV).

    Yes, these New Testament Christians affirmed their allegiance to Christ’s statement, “But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.” These Christians correctly understood that Jesus’ teachings insisted on His followers’ obeying and observing the Ten Commandments!

    Sabbatarian church records, preserved in the Newport Historical Museum, contain members’ names and contributions. Significantly, the church describes itself in those records as “keeping the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus, and in particular the Lord’s Seventh-Day Sabbath.”

    Some Seventh-day Sabbath keepers were prominent citizens of Rhode Island in the 18th century. Two of the colony’s governors—Richard Ward and his son Samuel—were Seventh-day Sabbath-keepers. Even the first president of Brown University—James Manning—was a Sabbatarian!

    So what about the Sabbath before Moses?

    Some today believe Sabbath observance was instituted as a Jewish custom at Mount Sinai, when Moses received the tablets containing the Ten Commandments.

    Is this so? No!

    Notice how your Bible describes what is called “Creation Week.” We read that God created man and woman on the sixth day. What then happened on the Seventh Day? “Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. And on the SEVENTH DAY God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the Seventh Day from all His work which He had done. Then God blessed the Seventh Day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made” (Genesis 2:1–3).

    Yes, the Seventh-Day Sabbath is a memorial of the creation—and it points to the True God and true Creator of the universe. It had meaning from the very creation, and it still has deep meaning for Christians today, who look at the seventh-day Sabbath as a foreshadowing of Jesus Christ’s thousand-year reign on the Earth during the Millennium.

    What did Jesus claim about His relationship to the Sabbath? Did He say He was Lord over Sunday – that Sunday was the Lord’s day? No! Jesus said, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath” (Mark 2:27–28). If Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, what day is the Lord’s day? Sunday? No! The Sabbath is the Lord’s Day—Jesus Himself said so! In fact, the expression “Lord’s Day” appears only once in the Bible, in Revelation 1:10. There, it refers to the prophetic period known as the Day of the Lord, which leads up to the Second Coming of Christ. It does not refer to a day of the week.

    The book of Hebrews depicts the Sabbath as a foreshadowing of the Earth’s millennial rest, as well as a memorial of God’s rest at creation. Regarding the ancient Israelites’ disobedience on their way to the promised land, we read:

    “For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. There remains therefore a rest for the people of God” (Hebrews 4:8–9). The original Greek word for “rest” in verse 9 is sabbatismos, which means “a Sabbath-keeping” (see Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words). Both the Revised Standard Version and the New International Version translate verse 9 as “a Sabbath rest.”

    Yes, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, even to this day! But is it merely a symbolic rest, or is it a literal Sabbath rest? If you have access to a copy of the Anchor Bible Dictionary, you can see for yourself that in other contexts, including secular Greek writings not dependent on this verse from Hebrews, that sabbatismos plainly and literally means “Sabbath observance” or “Sabbath celebration.” There is no question that this verse is a New Testament statement about a literal Christian observance of the Sabbath!

    If Christians are to cease from their works, just as God ceased from His (Hebrews 4:10), we must ask: how did God cease from His works? Scripture gives us the answer: “For He has spoken in a certain place of the Seventh Day in this way: ‘And God rested on the Seventh Day from all His works’” (Hebrews 4:4).

    There is no guessing here! New Testament Christians are supposed to rest just as God rested—on the Seventh Day! Both the Old Testament and the New Testament give Christians the clear example and instruction to keep the Sabbath day holy! If you consider the Bible your authority, rather than some church tradition that claims to overrule the Bible, you have no other choice! So, what is your authority?
    Scripture or Tradition?

    Earlier in this article, we read one Anglican theologian’s plain admission that it was church tradition, rather than Scripture, which brought about a Sunday observance in place of the Seventh-Day Sabbath. Other theologians concur. Noted Roman Catholic theologian James Cardinal Gibbons wrote, in his book Faith of Our Fathers, the following bold statement:

    “But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.”

    Gibbons admits that if the Bible is your authority, you have no basis for observing Sunday. Scripture, as he writes, enforces “the religious observance of Saturday.”

    Gibbons acknowledges that it was the Council of Laodicea in the fourth century ad—not the pages of your Bible – that caused the professing Christian world to change from the Seventh-Day Sabbath to a Sunday observance.

    Similarly, prominent Southern Baptist minister Harold Lindsell, a former editor of Christianity Today magazine and Southern Baptist minister, wrote:

    “There is nothing in Scripture that requires us to keep Sunday rather than Saturday as a holy day.”

    What should you do? You need to study your Bible and decide whether you will live by “every word of God” as Jesus admonished us in Matthew 4:4 and Luke 4:4. Jesus said He is Lord of the Sabbath. He observed the Seventh-Day Sabbath regularly, and He did not break the Law. As He said, “I have kept My Father’s Commandments” (John 15:10). Will you follow the example of Jesus Christ and the instructions of your Bible? Or will you oppose them, in order to follow the tradition of men?

    If you still have any doubt about which day is the Christian Sabbath, notice what your Bible teaches about the coming Kingdom of God, where Jesus Christ will rule all nations on Earth:

    “‘For as the new heavens and the new earth which I will make shall remain before Me,’ says the Lord, ‘So shall your descendants and your name remain. And it shall come to pass that from one New Moon [month] to another, and from one Sabbath to Another, all flesh shall come to worship before Me,’ says the Lord” (Isaiah 66:22–23).

    In God’s Kingdom, everyone will keep the Seventh-Day Sabbath.

    What a wonderful world that will be.

    True Christians, in their worship, are foreshadowing that time today.

    Be inspired!!!!

  • 37. True Faith  |  May 11, 2009 at 5:23 pm

    Imperfect victor(for Messiah is the perfect one Not you) and Terence M. Blackett. All answers regarding these end times, true sabbath keeping, holy days of Elohim,rapture,Bride og Messiah, Guests, repentance, faith holiness etc are all in http://www.almightywind.com

  • 38. True Faith  |  May 12, 2009 at 2:28 pm

    Terence M. Blackett I absolutely support what you wrote on the true sabbath day of Friday sundown to Saturday sundown. Your scripture quotations are evidence that sabbath day was not changed to Sunday. Now take another step and learn about the true Hebrew names of Elohim, rapture of Bride Rev14 Rev 7,1!thes etc in the website I wrote above.

  • 39. Perfect Victor  |  May 12, 2009 at 4:51 pm

    Somebody said “Imperfect victor(for Messiah is the perfect one Not you) and Terence M. Blackett.” Please read your bible well! Matthew 5:48 says “Be ye perfect as .. your father is perfect”

    Let’s address one issue at a time. I know you are excited for nothing. I don’t need to read what some Phds (People have demons) have written on their website. I have the bible with me here.

    The Sabbath, as we know it from the New Testament, is NOT the keeping of a certain day. We have no command whatsoever to keep Saturday for a Sabbath, nor do we have any commandment to keep the first day of the week, which is Sunday, as a Sabbath.

    Many people keeps days. Others make Sunday an idol, a worship day. Others make Saturday as the worship day. Both the Sunday worshipper and the Sabbath keeper are absolutely wrong, according to the Word of God. Sabbath to a Christian is no longer the keeping of holy days, new moons or seasons. It means “eternal rest” to one’s soul by the New Birth. We have to go by the Word of God, not by what the Adventists say, nor by what the Protestant says, nor by what the Catholic says.

    Here is the truth of the Sabbath, which means “REST.”

    Hebrews 4:8, “For if Jesus had given them REST (or rest day), then would He not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest (Sabbath keeping) to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from His.”

    Reading the key phrase in the last part of the verse, it says that “God ceased from His own works.” God gave Israel the seventh day for their Sabbath, in commemoration of His own work wherein He created the world and all that was therein, and then stopped creating. He ceased from His labors. He rested. Now it was fine to give a Sabbath rest to a people who were all in one place at one time, so they could all keep a certain day. Today half the world is in light while the other half is in darkness, so it wouldn’t work at all. But that is just an argument from the natural.

    Let’s see what the Bible teaches us about this Sabbath rest. “For he that is entered into his rest.” This entering in is not only entering in, but remaining in, the rest. It is an `eternal rest’ of which the seventh day is but a type, to the Christian.

    `Seven’ is completion. `Eight’ is the `first’ day again.

    Jesus’ resurrection was in the first day of the week, giving us eternal life and eternal Sabbath rest. Thus we see why God could not give us any one certain day of the week as a Sabbath (rest). We’ve `entered into’ and do `remain in’ our rest, which Israel could not do, having only a shadow of the true substance which we enjoy. Why go back to a shadow when we have reality now?

    How we receive this rest, or continuing Sabbath, is at the invitation of Jesus. He said in Matthew 11:28,29, “Come unto Me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me;… and ye shall find rest (or keeping of the Sabbath, not a day, but eternal life, Sabbath) unto your souls.”

    No matter how long you have been laboring under your load of sin, whether it is ten years, thirty years or fifty years, or longer, come with your tired weary life and you will find His rest (the true Sabbath). Jesus will give you rest.

    Now exactly what is that rest that Jesus will give?

    Isaiah 28:8-12, “For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean. Whom shall He teach knowledge? and whom shall He make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: For with stammering lips and another tongue will He speak to this people. To whom He said, This is the rest (Sabbath) wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest (or keeping of His Sabbath); and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.”

    Here it is prophesied right here in Isaiah. And it came to pass about 700 years later at Pentecost when they were all filled with the Holy Ghost exactly as it was said they would be. This is the true Sabbath that was promised. Thus when they were filled with the Holy Ghost they ceased from their worldly works, their worldly doings, their evil ways. The Holy Ghost took charge of their lives. They entered into rest. There is your rest. That is your Sabbath. It is not a day, nor a year, but the eternity of being filled and blessed in the Holy Spirit. It is you ceasing, and God doing. It is God in you willing and doing of His good pleasure.

    Oh, that people might come unto Him and find that rest. There is a cry in all hearts for that rest but the majority don’t know the answer. So they try to still the cry by a religious process of keeping certain days or accepting denominational creeds and dogmas. But failing in that, many try drinking, carousing, and every physical excess, thinking that by worldly pleasures there can be some satisfaction. But in such there is no rest. They smoke and take pills to quiet their nerves. But there is no rest in earthly potions. They need Jesus. They need the heavenly remedy, the rest of the Spirit.

    Then the most of them go to church on Sunday. That is good but even there they have no idea of how to approach God and how to worship Him. Jesus said that true worship was in Spirit and in truth, John 4:24. But what kind of worship can you get in a church that knows so little of God it puts up a Santa Claus at Christmas and bunnies at Easter? Where did they get that? They got it from the pagans and made it a part of the church doctrine.

    But when one turns to the Lord and is filled with the Holy Ghost he ceases from all such things. He has a rest in his soul. He really begins to live, and love God and worship Him.

    The Law of the Old testament was only a shadow of things that was to come in the New Testament. The Old says, “Thou shalt not commit adultery”. The New saith “Whosoever looketh upon a woman with lust has already committed “adultery” with her in his heart”. The Old Testament states, “Thou shalt not kill”. The New Testament states, “He that hateth his brother without a cause is already guilty of killing or murdering his brother.” Notice that the New Testament even magnified the meaning of the Law. And so is the same concerning the Sabbath. The Old saith, “Keep holy the Sabbath Day”. The New saith, “Come unto Me all of you who labour and are heavily-laden, and I will give you Sabbath (rest). For I am the Lord of the Sabbath.” If Jesus Himself never hesitated to heal the sick on the Sabbath Day and was condemned by the Pharisees for doing such, it just follows that Jesus was not anymore concerned about making holy that certain literal observance of a Sabbath day. Jesus was pointing us to the “New Birth” as the real true Sabbath or “rest”. Didn’t Jesus say to Nicodemus, “Except a man be born of water and of Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of heaven.” This “New Birth” or in the state of “being born again” is now the real Sabbath to the Christian believers of today.

    Here in the succeeding verses, we find God solemnly warning us to fear, lest we fail to enter into that Sabbath (rest) of God just like the children of Israel who provoked God and perished in the wilderness HEBREWS 3:7-19, 4:1-11:

    Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice, Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness: when your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years. Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in [their] heart; and they have not known my ways. So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest).

    Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

    For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end; While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
    For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses. But with whom was he grieved forty years? [was it] not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness? And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

    Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left [us] of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard [it].

    For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

    For he spake in a certain place of the seventh [day] on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this [place] again, If they shall enter into my rest.

    Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

    Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God [did] from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.”

    No, sir, there’s not, not a Scripture in the Bible, nor in the New Testament, for us to keep either Saturday or Sunday. But the reason we keep Sunday, is a memorial of the resurrection. Do you hate the resurrection? If you do then you can have worship on any day of the week, I have no problem. I am resting!

  • 40. True Faith  |  May 13, 2009 at 9:33 am

    Imperfect Victor ( For you’re not yet perfected and still uses only milk and Not strong meat. Evidence is what you wrote above)
    Your wrote:I don’t need to read what some Phds (People have demons) have written on their website. Why do you pass judgement without even doing some study on that website. Do you equate prophesying through holy Spirit to demons? For Almighty God spoke/and still speak through His prophet.

    Your wrote:Jesus’ resurrection was in the first day of the week. Wrong. It was towards the end of sabbath/Saturday. Matt28: 1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre. 2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it. also Mark 16

  • 41. True Faith  |  May 13, 2009 at 9:34 am

    Bible says Do NOT despise prophesyings. So,if you’re sincere in searching for the truth, click on below link for more on sabbath

  • 42. True Faith  |  May 13, 2009 at 9:35 am

    Also this article: Was the Sabbath Changed in the New Testament? may be of help. Link below:
    Can you say this scripture is not talking about sabbath day? Matthew 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day

  • 43. True Faith  |  May 13, 2009 at 9:42 am

    More please:

  • 44. True Faith  |  May 13, 2009 at 9:43 am

    and You can’t dispute this. Can you?

  • 45. Perfect Victor  |  May 13, 2009 at 4:13 pm

    Why are you troubling yourself? I won’t read any of them! My bible is enough. I am sorry, there is nothing new you are going to tell me. I have heard enough from sabbath keepers, you are not the first one.

    Some have come to me with volumes of commentaries written by their scholars. Paul said the gospel he came with is not just words of wisdom but the demonstration of the power of Jesus Christ. I have never met one sabbath keeper who is born again and completely sold out to Christ. But I have met many who can prove to you that the sabbath is keeping of a day. By God’s grace I have led some to the truth.

    If you are still wondering whether I am perfect or not then try asking Jesus. He said “sanctify them with thy truth, thy word is the truth.” His word is not some old testament shadows of the Messiah but it is the Messiah himself, the LOGOS that came out of God – the very expression of what was in Elohim the self existent one that covers space and eternity. In Him lies eternal life and the light of the world; and He alone is the truth. Christ is the greatest mystery of God that has been revealed to us in this last days. “God’s last chance” to us is to know Him. For to know Him is to have life. The rest are simply traditions of our denominations and until you come out of them you will never see the power of God.

    I don’t despise prophesying. I do believe in true prophesy. But no true prophecy of God ever started a denomination. All denominations lay their foundations on false teachings of men and fractions of God’s word. God is not the author of this confusion. Every denomination is an addition to the confusion existing in Christendom. Sabbath keeping is part of the system. Our duty as Christians is to help people come out of these denominational systems and embrace the whole perfect word. So please don’t you think i am just critisizing you. I love you with a christian love.

    My brother the Love of God is pushing me not to argue with you so much but to pray for you. If you feel I am imperfect pray for me. If you want someone to convert to sabbath keeping please there are many in this forum. From my experience, Sabbath keepers are not the best people to emulate. I would rather just trust in Jesus, am sure he is rich in mercy and able to direct me.

  • 46. True Faith  |  May 14, 2009 at 8:29 am

    Well you have a point. For your info Sabbath keeping or keeping Ten commandments will never save anyone. Faith in YAUSHUA/JESUS is what save, HIS shed blood washes sins. We r saved by grace through faith alone. Now keeping YAHUVEH’s laws is as obedience to HIM after receiving JESUS (YAHUSHUA in Hebrew) as LORD and Saviour.
    Keeping of Almighty God’s commandment including Sabbath is important. I am NOT a SDA but a messianic believer. So many things have changed since days of early church. let’s return to true faith in Messiah. He said why do you call me LORD and not obey me. and again He said I didn’t come to break God’s commandments but fulfil

  • 47. True Faith  |  May 14, 2009 at 8:34 am

    Below may also be helpful
    First we need to know what the Bible definition of sin is. 1 John 3:4. So where there is sin, there has to be a law. Romans 4:15. If there is no law then there can be no sin and if there is no sin then there is no need for a Saviour.
    Did Paul say we can sin now that we are under Grace which would therefore prove the law was abolished? Romans 6:1-2, Romans 6:14-15.
    Paul demonstrated in Galatians chapters 2, 3 and 4 and Romans 3 that no flesh is justified by the law and that righteousness comes by FAITH. Does this therefore mean that the Ten Commandments are now made null and void because of FAITH? Romans 3:31. So who is justified before God? Romans 2:13.
    Did Jesus say he came to do away with the law? Matthew 5:17. Did Jesus say He was going to change the law by even so much as a single letter? Matthew 5:18, Luke 16:17. Did Jesus say we have to teach the law as well as obey it? Matthew 5:19.
    Does Jesus say that those who practise lawlessness, i.e., break the Ten Commandments will enter the kingdom? Matthew 7:21-23, 1 John 2:4. So what does Jesus say that one has to do to inherit eternal life? Matthew 19:16-19.
    Can we keep just nine of the Ten Commandments and are we judged by obedience to the law? James 2:10-12, Matthew 5:18, Luke 16:17.
    So what are the consequences for wilful sin, i.e., wilfully disobeying even ONE of the Ten Commandments? Hebrews 10:26-29, Ephesians 5:3, 5.
    What are the blessings for not living in wilful sin, i.e., obeying the Ten Commandments in loving obedience? Revelation 22:14.
    The answers are indisputable and any other arguments would be in total contradiction to the words of Jesus, Paul and James just to name a few. I think Solomon summed it up well with his final conclusion in Ecclesiastes 12:13-14.

  • 48. True Faith  |  May 14, 2009 at 8:35 am

    For the Bride of Messiah

  • 49. True Faith  |  May 14, 2009 at 8:37 am

    Question: Who is the true Bride of Messiah

  • 50. True Faith  |  May 14, 2009 at 8:42 am

    What is the significance of Sabbath and Rosh Ha Shanah (Feast of trumpets) to Rapture of Bride of Messiah?

  • 51. Perfect Victor  |  May 16, 2009 at 12:46 pm

    I wanted to respond to the questions but when I opened the links I discovered what kind of person I am dealing with. so let me reserve my coments. It is good to respect the man and his religion after all!

  • 52. Richard  |  June 27, 2009 at 11:24 am

    Most people in the world want to go through the real experience so that they may repent, time to repent is right now and today.
    If people are waiting for more grace a time is coming when this grace wont be there anymore.
    People whom God created we need us to come back to Him so that He may bless us abuntantly because it is because of our sins he can not answer us.

    Please let pray and fast for the days are evil.

  • 53. Richard  |  June 27, 2009 at 11:28 am

    Pastor Owuor.
    What is you comment toward the sexual immorality in the church nowards and what message do you have to your fellow Ministers of other denominations.

  • 54. Harriet minayo  |  October 18, 2009 at 9:30 pm

    I actually tell anyone who reads the thi article do no take it as a
    usual thing and that most people do.

    I know we have many there who oppose the word of God even the leaders {pastors etc}reason being that they have not been used to deliver the message of God to the people.

    People have different annoitings from the same spirit of God!ask yourself have much do you sacrife towards the righteous of the kingdom of God.

    There peoplereceive the prophet and you shall receive the prophets reward-prophet Owour because he is God-sent servant! Mathew 10:38-41

  • 55. perfect Victor  |  October 19, 2009 at 9:49 am

    My precious sister Harriet, am sorry if this will offend you…God gave us our last chance to repent when his scriptural prophet was here. Brother William Marrion Branham was sent to our generation with vindications of the Holy Spirit and manifestations of the power of God.
    I agree with Owuor that holiness and repentence is needed in the church and this is what the prophet of God taught but he misses the point when he calls upon Christians to repent on behalf of others.
    EZEKIEL 18:19 & 20
    19 Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, [and] hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live.
    20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. Much us the whole nations needs to repent, (though we know the whole nation will not repent, no matter what you do) it is every individual’s responsibility to repent for his or her own sins.

    True! God dealt with Israel as a Nation but he deals with every gentile as an individual! Acts 2:38 requires each individual to repent once and be baptized and afterwards live a life worthy of the gospel, a life that does not require repentance every now and then as you people do. To repent is to turn away from your old ways. How do you keep turning away from your old ways every sunday…you are not serious!!!

    HEBREWS 6:1
    1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

    There is surely a sinner and a there is a born again believer. Very distinct from each other. God deals with each distinctly.

    1 John 3:9 says; Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. God does not consider it sin because he knows you don’t do itintentionally as before, you slipped into it because of the sin that our father Adam injected into you ( as long as you are in this flesh you’ll desire to do good but evil still abides in you (Romans 7:21) I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.) but Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin (Romans 4:8) . What you do when you are a christian is a fault, You need to confess it and ASK FOR FORGIVENESS not REPENT. What Dr Owuor should be telling you (after you have turned away from your past) is to confess your faults because once you are born again you don’t sin.
    JAMES 5:16 Confess [your] faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

    Prophet Owuor is God’s prophet but I doubt that God could have sent him to confuse people. About the prophecies… please let’s be careful not to say anything. False prophets also can give prophecies that come true. Even Balam who withstood God and Israel prophesied the coming of Christ. The bible says in Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

    Be warned my sister.

  • 56. KK2  |  November 12, 2009 at 2:54 pm

    Be not deceived
    Quote…”Unfortunately, Branham also advanced many strange notions. His reworking of the Genesis account of the Fall stretches beyond all reason. He believed that the two trees in the Garden of Eden, the Tree of Life and the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, were Jesus and Satan respectively (Branham 102). He also taught a doctrine called “Serpent’s seed”, the idea that Eve was seduced by the serpent, an apelike creature, and bore Cain as the descendant of Satan (Branham 98-99). The resulting race mingled with the human line of Seth but bred hypocrisy and wickedness in the world. There exists a dual lineage from Eve, righteous and unrighteous. Additionally, he believed in the annihilation of the wicked, the ultimate destruction of Satan, and that the earth would be destroyed in an explosion in 1977.

    When he died in a tragic car accident in December 1965, his most devoted followers believed that he would resurrect. His wife, who survived the accident, refused to inter her husband and delayed burial until April 11, 1966 (Dyck 6). He is buried in Jeffersonville beneath a large pyramidal stone, with an eagle, Branham’s prophetic symbol, atop it.

    William Marrion Branham’s legacy is one of doctrinal confusion and noxious ideas. Any early successes as he moved toward truth are skewed by his gross theological, soteriological, and eschatological errors. As Hoosier Apostolics with a significant amount of Branham’s followers in our State, it is important to recognize the vast differences between Branhamism and Pentecostal truth. The Apostle John warned: “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world” (I Jn. 4.1). This verse is aptly applied to William Marrion Branham, a false prophet and a purveyor of false doctrine.

  • 58. KK2  |  November 12, 2009 at 3:30 pm

    Cultic/heresies cont’d


    and I quote what he prophecies falsely
    “That this age will, end around 1977. …, I base this prediction on seven major continuous visions that came to me one Sunday morning in June, 1933. The Lord Jesus spoke to me and said that the coming of the Lord was drawing nigh, but that before He came, seven major events would transpire. ( W. Branham, THE MESSAGE TO THE LAODICEAN AGE, p.29).

    “ He never called Himself the Son of God. He referred to Himself, the-’Son of man, because He had to come according to the Scripture.”(THE MIGHTY GOD UNVEILED BEFORE US, p.8)

    The BIBLE says- Luke 1:35 the angel says he will be called “the Son of God”. Jn.10:36 Jesus said, because I said I am the Son of God.” Jn.5:25; Luke 22:70; Mt.27:43; Jn.19:7 ; Jn.9:35 He (Jesus) said unto him, Do you thou believe on the Son of God? Once again Branham did not know is Bible.

    Serpent’s Seed Teaching

    Branham taught that Eve’s sin in the Garden of Eden (Genesis 3) was sexual sin. According to Branham, Eve was seduced into a sexual relationship with the serpent and became impregnated with her son Cain. He explained, “Here is what actually happened in the Garden of Eden.. The Word says that Eve was beguiled by the serpent. She was actually seduced by the serpent. He was as close to being a human that his seed could, and did mingle with that of the woman and cause her to conceive.” (The Original Sin, pp. 2, 3).

    Since THREE sons were born from TWO acts of Adam, You know POSITIVELY that ONE of those three WAS NOT the son of Adam – – – The truth of the matter is that eve had two sons in her womb TWO sons (twins) from separate impregnation’s. She was carrying twins, with Cain’s conception sometime previous to that of Abel’s.” (W. M. Branham, An Exposition of The Seven Church Ages, pp. 98, 100-101).

    William Branham said that Eve’s sin involved sexual relations with the serpent, but the “seed of God” were Branham’s followers, otherwise known as “the Bride” or “the New Breed” (The Toronto Blessing, Stephen Sizer, 1990).

    Branham taught that the Word of God was given in three forms, the zodiac, the Egyptian pyramids, and the written scripture.”(Al Dager, Vengeance is Ours, P. 59)

    The idea that the Great Pyramid of Giza in Egypt was constructed by Enoch as a memorial to God ( All Things Are Possible, p. 162).

    No Hell

    Satan – – awaits his ‘time of eternal annihilation – We believe that he will absolutely be done completely away and annihilated. —Is the lake of fire hell Eternal? No, sir. No, sir Anything that was created is not Eternal — If anybody ever tells you that you’re going to burn in an Eternal hell, I want the scripture for it — it was created for that to destroy.”

  • 60. Perfect Victor  |  November 13, 2009 at 1:07 am

    My friend KK2, for your information there are hundreds of sites that have attempted to report on the life and ministry of William Branham. Majority are those that criticize the man….nothing wrong with that…but the problem is that most of them do not have their facts right.

    Now, it is difficult to respond to all the issues you raised about Bro Branham’s alleged false teachings. The Serpents seed, the original sin, the tree of life and the tree of knowledge are very deep teachings that cannot be explained by one quote or sermon of Bro Branham. Let us be sane. The critics on the websites are theologians. But they are dealing with sermons recorded as Bro Branham spoke, not a theological thesis! There are over 1,180 recorded sermons preached by Bro Branham. There is not one single sermon that will give you the exact picture of his understanding of the bible because of the way he talked. You MUST understand that William Branham had a seventh grade education and there is no way he could make Doctor of Divinities and PhDs to understand his doctrine. They can’t understand what he is talking about. He was too simple for them. Only the simple minded will understand him.

    I have studied his sermons for over twenty years but every time I read them there is always something new that I learn from his teachings. Don’t fumble with what you do not know. Now, you seem to insinuate that Bro Branham did not believe the Jesus Christ is the son of God. Here are Bro Branham’s own words.

    MINISTRY.EXPLAINED_ MINNEAPOLIS.MN TUESDAY_ 50-0711 E-16 When Jesus… We all believe He was the Son of God. Is that right? We accept Him as the Son of God. And He was more than a man; God was in Jesus. God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself. He was a God-man, God working through Him.
    DISEASES.AND.AFFLICTIONS_ LVL.KY V-25 N-2 50-0100 26 But there never was nothing that came before Jesus Christ, the Son of God, but what He was more than a match for it.
    FAITH.IS.THE.SUBSTANCE_ OAKLAND.CA SATURDAY_ 47-0412 E-102 I pray, Father, that You’ll grant it in the Name of Thy beloved Son Jesus Christ.
    You simply picked a few words of his statement that suit your misperception and left out the rest of these…FULL TEXT BELOW
    “MIGHTY.GOD.UNVEILED_ PHIL.PA V-3 N-22 MONDAY_ 64-0629 8-5 Now, I think in that we find out that changing Himself, what He did. If you’ll notice, He came in the name of three sons. He came in the Name of the Son of man, and in the Son of God, and the Son of David. He came as Son of man. Now, in Ezekiel 2:3, Jehovah Himself called Ezekiel the prophet the son of man. Son of man means a prophet. He had to come that way to fulfill Deuteronomy 18:15, which Moses said, “The Lord your God shall raise up among you a Prophet likened unto me.” He never called Himself the Son of God. He referred to Himself, the Son of man, because He had to come according to the Scripture.
    It is true he said “He never called Himself the Son of God.’ But we all know that most times Jesus Christ tried to conceal his true identity because he knew that those who were his would believe in him anyhow. Of course there are occasions when he said he was the son of man but He never blew his trumpet. He always talked as if the son of man is another man.
    Lu 4:41 And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.
    Mt 26:63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God. Verse 64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
    Lu 22:70 Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am.
    Son of God is a very high office. in fact it is God himself in human form (Emmanuel – God with us) which Jesus was but he preferred to put claims on a lower office of son of man, a prophet. This is how all prophets and servants of God behave. This is what Bro Branham was talking about.
    On the prediction that 1977 will be the end of the world, He was very clear and if you wanted to verify what he said you should have done so but unfortunately like many of his critics you preferred to take what you think he said.
    First of all it was not a prophecy but a prediction, and this is what he said.

    E-7 Then I turned to look and I seen the United States was a smoldering something had burned it up.
    And down beneath there I said, not in the trance, but, “I predict…” (remember this, I guess this is taped too), “I predict that these things will take place between now, 1933 and 1977.”
    And at 1906 the Laodicean church age set in, and I don’t know when it’ll end, but I predict it’ll be done by 1977. I predict, not the Lord told me, but I predict it according to a vision that was showed me some years ago, that five of those things has (out of the seven)–has already taken place about…

    43 We believe that the Laodicean church started in A.D. 1906. I predict… Now, remember, “predict,” especially you listening at the tape. I don’t say it will be, but predict that it will end by 1977, that the church will go completely into apostasy, and she’ll be ousted out of the mouth of God. And the second coming, or the rapture of Christ, might come anytime. Now, I could miss that a year; I can miss it twenty years, I could miss it a hundred years. I don’t know where. But I just predict that according to a vision He showed me, and taking the time, the way it’s progressing, I say it’ll be sometime between ’33 and ’77. At–at least, this great nation is going to strike a war that’s going to blow it to bits. See? Now, that’s pretty close; it’s awful close. And I could be wrong; I’m predicting. Everybody understand say, “amen” if you do. [Congregation says, “Amen.”–Ed.] See?

    226 Now, what’s the next thing? The Seven Seals now. We drop right in on them when the Lord will permit. When that’ll be, I don’t know. Just whenever He delivers it, then we’ll go right into it. Then we’re going to have a long, long meeting, ’cause we’re going to take from the 6th chapter through the 19th to get through it. And as slow as I am with it…
    Now, I do not want anyone to go away misunderstanding this. Tape’s still playing? I don’t want anyone to misunderstand it. Don’t misunderstand now, and say, “Brother Branham said Jesus will come in 1977.” I never said no such a thing. Jesus may come today. But I have predicted that between ’33 and ’77 something would take place, that these things that I seen come to pass in the vision would take place. And five of them has already took place.

    Based on these seven visions, along with the rapid changes which have swept the world in the last fifty years, I PREDICT (I do not prophesy) that these visions will have all come to pass by 1977. And though many may feel that this is an irresponsible statement in view of the fact that Jesus said that ‘no man knoweth the day nor the hour.’ I still maintain this prediction after thirty years because, Jesus did NOT say no man could know the year, month or week in which His coming was to be completed. So I repeat, I sincerely believe and maintain as a private student of the Word, along with Divine inspiration that 1977 ought to terminate the world systems (This is the chaos we are already in) and usher in the millennium.

    Bro Branham never taught that the Word of God was given in three forms, the zodiac, the Egyptian pyramids, and the written scripture, this is a lie. He said the pyramid and the Zodiac were the first bibles because the Zodiak speaks of the virgin and the lion. Jesus was born of a virgin and ends up the Lion of the tribe of Judah. The pyramid speaks of the steps and entrance into the king’s chamber and so does the bible.
    KK2 there is no scripture for eternal Hell. Hell exists now and the bible says after judgement Hell and the grave will be thrown in the lake of fire.If Hell is eternal then those who go to hell will live eternally. Eternal lfe is only for those who inherit heaven. Okay?

  • 61. kk2  |  November 13, 2009 at 12:13 pm

    p Victor,”.. It was not a prophecy but a prediction according to a vision that was showed me some years ago. Did God showed him that vision? God cannot lie. It didn’t happen so he got a wrong vision and misled multitudes. So in short Branham cannot be trusted in what he taught. Do you want to convince believers here that there is no hell? Hell and heaven are real. ok?. Jesus spoke a lot about hell

    So the Pyramid and the Zodiac were the first bibles? eh?Deception upon deception

    “When he died in December 1965, his most devoted followers believed that he would resurrect. You don’t disbute this.do you?

    Serpent seed doctrine is demonic. (the idea that Eve was seduced by the serpent, an apelike creature, and bore Cain as the descendant of Satan (Branham 98-99).) Not biblical at all. If you are a true believer you’ll renonce this at once and repent of deceiption
    Is the lake of fire hell Eternal? Yes, sir. Victor if you refuse to accept this then I promise you in Jesus name that you’ll discover late, very late that lake of fire is for ever and ever. How sad that there are still people deceived like Victor even when the Bible make things clear for us. When Branham died he must have dicovered late that lake of fire is eternal, and there is no such thing as serpent seed doctrine. This is demonic. I repeat without any apologise for I know the truth in Christ that has set me free, William Marrion Branham was a false prophet and a purveyor of false doctrine. Amen.

  • 62. kk2  |  November 13, 2009 at 12:27 pm


    The man in Luke 16:24 cries: “. . .I am tormented in this FLAME.”
    In Matthew 13:42, Jesus says: “And shall cast them into a FURNACE OF FIRE: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”

    In Matthew 25:41, Jesus says: “Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting FIRE,. . .” VICTOR HOW DO YOU READ THIS SCRIPTURE!!!!??? IT SAYS EVERLASTING FIRE.OK?

    Revelation 20:15 says, ” And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the LAKE OF FIRE.”

  • 63. kk2  |  November 13, 2009 at 12:53 pm


    P. VICTOR AND OTHERS who don’t accept reality of hell are infact siding with the enemy of our souls who don’t want people to know that hell and lake of fire exists forever and ever.
    “And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments. . .” Luke 16:23
    What you’re about to read is hard to believe. . .
    We’re going to examine the place the Bible calls hell. We’ll present documented evidence for a place called hell. Don’t take what you’re going to read lightly. If what you read is true — YOU COULD BE IN SERIOUS DANGER!
    Several years ago a book was published, entitled Beyond Death’s Door by Dr. Maurice Rawlings. Dr. Rawlings, a specialist in Internal Medicine and Cardiovascular Disease, resuscitated many people who had been clinically dead. Dr. Rawlings, a devout atheist, “considered all religion “hocus-pocus” and death nothing more than a painless extinction”. But something happened in 1977 that brought a dramatic change in the life of Dr. Rawlings! He was resuscitating a man, terrified and screaming — descending down into the flames of hell:
    “Each time he regained heartbeat and respiration, the patient screamed, “I am in hell!” He was terrified and pleaded with me to help him. I was scared to death. . . Then I noticed a genuinely alarmed look on his face. He had a terrified look worse than the expression seen in death! This patient had a grotesque grimace expressing sheer horror! His pupils were dilated, and he was perspiring and trembling — he looked as if his hair was “on end.”
    Then still another strange thing happened. He said,”Don’t you understand? I am in hell. . . Don’t let me go back to hell!” . . .the man was serious, and it finally occurred to me that he was indeed in trouble. He was in a panic like I had never seen before.”
    (Maurice Rawlings, Beyond Death’s Door,(Thomas Nelson Inc., 1979) p. 3).
    Dr. Rawlings said, no one, who could have heard his screams and saw the look of terror on his face could doubt for a single minute that he was actually in a place called hell!

  • 64. kk2  |  November 13, 2009 at 12:55 pm

    The Bible continually warns of a place called hell. There are over 162 references in the New Testament alone which warns of hell. And over 70 of these references were uttered by the Lord Jesus Christ!

    In Luke 16, Jesus Christ gives a frightening picture of hell:

    22 . . . the rich man also died, and was buried;
    23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
    24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
    25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
    26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
    27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house:
    28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. (Luke 16:22-28)

    The man in Luke 16:24 cries: “. . .I am tormented in this FLAME.”

    In Matthew 13:42, Jesus says: “And shall cast them into a FURNACE OF FIRE: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”

    In Matthew 25:41, Jesus says: “Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting FIRE,. . .”
    Revelation 20:15 says, ” And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the LAKE OF FIRE.”


    When Jesus Christ died on the cross, He descended into hell. In Acts 2, Peter is speaking, verse 31, ” . . . seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in HELL”

    When Jesus Christ died His soul went into hell.

    And in Matthew 12:40, Jesus Christ says:

    “For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly: so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the HEART OF THE EARTH. ”
    The Bible is clear — Hell is inside the earth!

    Ephesians 4:9, says of Jesus: “Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the LOWER PARTS OF THE EARTH.”

    On page 85 of Beyond Death’s Door, Dr. Rawlings writes patients who described hell said, “. . . this place seems to be UNDERGROUND or WITHIN THE EARTH in some way.”
    Scientist and Bible teacher, Henry Morris also agrees the Bible plainly teaches that hell is in this earth:

    “So far as we can tell from Scripture, the present hell, is somewhere in the heart of the earth itself. It is also called ‘the pit’ (Isa. 14:9, 15: Ezek. 32:18-21) and ‘the abyss’ (Rev. 9:2). . .
    The writers certainly themselves believed hell to be real and geographically ‘beneath’ the earth’s surface. . .
    To say this is not scientific is to assume science knows much more about the earth’s interior than is actually the case. The great ‘pit’ [hell] would only need to be about 100 miles or less in diameter to contain, with much room to spare, all the forty billion or so people who have ever lived, assuming their ‘spiritual’ bodies are the same size as their physical bodies.”
    (Henry M. Morris, The Bible Has the Answer, p. 220)
    The Birmingham News, April 10, 1987 had an article entitled “Earth’s Center Hotter Than Sun’s Surface, Scientists Say”. The article stated that scientists have recently discovered, “THE EARTH’S INNER CORE HAS A TEMPERATURE OF OVER 12,000 DEGREES FAHRENHEIT!”

    Have you seen pictures of a volcano erupting, spewing a lake of fire from inside the earth — consuming everything within miles just from the heat? When Mount St. Helens erupted in May 18, 1980, it was described by reporters, “when HELL surfaced upon the earth.” The book, Volcanoes, Earth’s Awakening (p.91) describes an erupting volcano as “descent into HELL”.

    Thousands of years ago, the Bible described a place called hell in the heart of the earth that matches exactly what science is discovering.

  • 65. kk2  |  November 13, 2009 at 12:56 pm


    In Numbers 16, the Bible gives the account of people falling into hell alive!

    “And THE EARTH OPENED HER MOUTH, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and all their goods. They, and all that appertained to them, went down alive INTO THE PIT, and the EARTH CLOSED UPON THEM:” Numbers 16:32-33
    Caspar Peucer, a famous fourteenth century astronomer and physician, who also researched and documented the volcanoe eruptions at Heklafell wrote some very frightening information in his research findings. Peucer, claims (as others) that “fearful howlings, weeping and gnashing of teeth” could be heard “for many miles. . .” as these volcanoes erupted:

    “Out of the bottomless abyss of Heklafell, or rather out of Hell itself, rise melancholy cries and loud wailings, so that these can be heard for many miles around. . . there may be heard in the mountain fearful howlings, weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
    (Haraldur Sigurdsson, Melting the Earth, The History of Ideas on Volcanic Eruptions, p. 73)
    And Caspar Peucer is not alone. There are others who believe they have heard “cries and screaming” coming from volcanoes. Most have tried to ignore the obvious. Some simply explain the “sounds of hell” to some rational meaning. But they are there. . .
    “The fearsome noises that issued from some of their volcanoes were certainly thought to be the screams of tormented souls in the fires of hell below”.
    (Haraldur Sigurdsson, Melting the Earth, The History of Ideas on Volcanic Eruptions, p. 73)
    Inside this earth, this very moment, there are millions of lost, tormented souls — burning, weeping, wailing — without any hope whatsoever!

    In Mark 9:46, Jesus Christ says about hell: “Where THEIR WORM dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.”

    Jesus said explicitly — THEIR worm — not a worm, or the worm — but THEIR worm. The Bible teaches that Christians will one day have a body like the Lord Jesus Christ. Could it be, as some Bible students teach — that men and women in hell take on the form of their father, Satan (John 8:44)? In Revelation 12:3, Satan is described as a red dragon. Could Jesus Christ be referring to the body lost men and women will have for eternity?

    The earth’s crust on land is normally 50 miles thick. You’d have to go down 50 miles before the edge of the fire. But in parts of the ocean floor, the earth’s crust is less than a mile thick.

  • 66. kk2  |  November 13, 2009 at 12:56 pm

    Scientists recently discovered cracks on the ocean floor where fire was leaking out. Do you know what they found around these fire-breathing vents in the crust? Eight-foot long worms, found no other place in the world! The book, The Deep Sea, by Joseph Wallace (p.39), reads, “Perhaps the strangest of ocean creatures recently discovered are Riftia, the giant tube WORMS. Measuring up to 8 feet in length, the worms are ONLY FOUND NEAR DEEP SEA VENTS.”

    And Jesus Christ said, “Where THEIR WORM dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.”

    Have you read Mark 9:46 where the Lord Jesus Christ is quoting Isaiah 66?
    Look at the context and time period of Isaiah 66:22-24:

    Isaiah 66:22-24:
    22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
    23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
    24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

    The “new heavens and new earth” of Isaiah 66:22 matches Revelation 21:1. This occurs AFTER the Great White Throne Judgement of Revelation 20:10-15! The references to “carcases”; “their worm”; “their fire” (vs 24) — is AFTER the Great White Throne Judgement of the LOST people! The reference to “. . the men that have transgressed. . .” are the LOST people AFTER the Great White Throne Judgement.
    And at this point — they have received their NEW BODY! Notice what Isaiah says, the saved people shall “LOOK upon the CARCASES of the men that have transgressed. . .” It’s worth mentioning that a “carcase” is not always a “DEAD body”. For instance, two times the Bible specifically uses the term “dead carcase” (Deut. 14:8 and Ezek 6:5). If a carcase is ALWAYS a “dead” body, then why say “dead” carcase? And there’s NOTHING in the context of Isaiah to imply these “men that transgressed” are “dead”.

    In fact, Isaiah clearly says, “their worm shall NOT DIE”. Even in our language, we refer to a living body as a “carcase”. For example, “Get your carcase [body] in here”. Why is that important? Because when the saved people in Isaiah 66:24 are “looking upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed” — And do you know what they are SEEING? “Their worm”! The “carcase” they are seeing is “their WORM that shall not die”. The end of Isaiah 66:24 is a frightening endorsement of this interpretation. What the saved people are viewing Isaiah says is , “. . . an abhorring unto all flesh”. And my friend, that is not JUST a normal flesh body they are looking at! It is something that will send chills screaming through your soul at the horror. And it will happen!

    And it will happen TO YOU if you die without the Lord Jesus Christ!

    Even though the world tries to extinguish the cries and reality of hell — the truth of hell echoes throughout our world. We desperately pretend to cover our ears and igonore the “screams, the weeping, the wailing, the gnashing of teeth” but it is there. . . And we know it. We refuse to accept such a place exist. But it is there. And we know it. Nothing we can do, nothing we can say, can erase the horror of hell from our minds.

    It is there. And we know it.

    National Geographic magazine truthfully titled their story on Volcanoes “Going To Hell”. When PBS did a series on The Savage Earth, one episode was titled “Hell’s Crust: Our Everchanging Planet”. Everything we know. Everything we observe. Echoes the truth of a place called hell.

    It is there. And we know it.
    Revelation 14:10 says, ” . . . and he shall be tormented with fire and BRIMSTONE . . .” And Job 18 describes the ” . . . PLACE of him that knoweth not God” (vs 21), in verse 15 as, ” . . . BRIMSTONE shall be scattered upon his habitation.” Do you know what brimstone is? It’s sulfur. And do you know where sulfur or brimstone is found? INSIDE THIS EARTH! According to the book Volcanoes by Pierre Kohler (p. 43), when Mt. St Helens erupted in 1980 — 150,000 tons of sulfurous gas was ejected! Job is the oldest book in the Bible, written over 3,000 years ago, and yet Job knew what science wouldn’t know for years — inside this earth is BRIMSTONE!

    Nature magazine recently discovered (July 2002) what the Bible knew over 3,000 years ago. Inside this earth is “fire and brimstone”:

    “Volcanoes may be more like hell than anyone realized. Eruptions disgorge streams of molten sulphur, the brimstone of evangelical preachers, which burns up before it can be preserved for posterity, new research in the journal Geology shows”.
    (Nature, Science Update, July 22, 2002)
    Click here to view an incredible National Geographic Macromedia Flash clip on Volcanoes with the intro “FIRE. . . BRIMSTONE. . . HELL ON EARTH. . VOLCANOES” Note: You will need the ability to play MacroMedia Flash to view

    The cover of Discover magazine, August 2002, asks the question — “What’s Really at the Center of the Earth?”.
    I know what’s REALLY in “the center of this earth”. Jesus Christ told us. Over and over. There is a lake of fire — with millions of people burning, weeping, screaming, wailing, gnashing of teeth”.

  • 67. kk2  |  November 13, 2009 at 12:57 pm


    “. . . they dig into hell . . .” Amos 9:2
    The following article appeared in the well respected Finland newspaper, Ammenusastia
    “As a communist I don’t believe in heaven or the Bible but as a scientist I now believe in hell,” said Dr. Azzacove. “Needless to say we were shocked to make such a discovery. But we know what we saw and we know what we heard. And we are absolutely convinced that we drilled through the gates of hell!”

    Dr. Azzacove continued, “. . .the drill suddenly began to rotate wildly, indicating that we had reached a large empty pocket or cavern. Temperature sensors showed a dramatic increase in heat to 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit.”

    “We lowered a microphone, designed to detect the sounds of plate movements down the shaft. But instead of plate movements we heard a human voice screaming in pain! At first we thought the sound was coming from our own equipment.”

    “But when we made adjustments our worst suspicions were confirmed. The screams weren’t those of a single human, they were the screams of millions of humans!”
    The following is a recording that claims to be the actual sounds of hell from the above article
    Jesus says of the man in Luke 16:

    23 “And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in TORMENTS. . . ”
    24 “. . . for I am TORMENTED in this FLAME.”
    28 “. . .PLACE OF TORMENT.”
    It is humanly impossible to comprehend the Bible description of hell. Nothing on earth can compare with it. No nightmare could produce a terror to match that of hell. No horror movie could describe it’s fright. No crime scene with all it’s blood and gore could begin to match it’s horror.

    It will be beyond anything humanly imaginable!
    The Bible warns in Psalm 9:17, you will not only be in hell — you will BE TURNED INTO HELL! You will literally BE HELL!

    The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.
    Psalm 9:17
    YOU will see HELL. . .
    YOU will smell HELL. . .
    YOU will breathe HELL. . .
    YOU will hear HELL. . .
    YOU will feel HELL. . .

  • 68. kk2  |  November 13, 2009 at 1:00 pm


    The Bible describes it as weeping (Matt 8:12), wailing (Matt 13:42), gnashing of teeth (Matt 13:50), darkness (Matt 25:30), flames (Luke 16:24), burning (Isa 33:14), torments (Luke 16:23), everlasting punishment! Jesus Christ says in Matthew 25:41, “Depart from me, ye cursed, into EVERLASTING FIRE, prepared for the devil and his angels.”

    In Matthew 13:42, Jesus says: “And shall cast them into a FURNACE OF FIRE: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”


    All who enter hell — abandon all hope!

    The horror of hell — for even one second is unbearable — but FOREVER!

    Jesus says in Matthew 25:41: “. . . Depart from me, ye cursed, into EVERLASTING fire, . . .”

    Rev. 14:11: “The smoke of their TORMENT ascendeth up for EVER AND EVER: and they have NO REST DAY NOR NIGHT.”
    Just look how the Bible warns of the eternity and permance of hell!

    everlasting fire — Matthew18:8, 25:41
    everlasting punishment — Matthew 25:46
    everlasting chains — Jude 1:6
    eternal damnation — Mark 3:29
    eternal judgment — Hebrews 6:2
    eternal fire — Jude 1:7
    unquenchable fire — Matthew 3:12
    the fire that never shall be quenched — Mark 9:43, 44, 45, 46, 48
    fire unquenchable — Luke 3:17
    mist of darkness is reserved for ever — 2 Peter 2:17
    the blackness of darkness for ever — Jude 1:13
    My friend, I have searched my Bible, from cover to cover. . . I have studied every occurrence of hell in my Bible — and I can not find one verse, not one word of HOPE for someone in hell! NOT ONE WORD! The rich man in hell in Luke 16 never even asks to get out — He knew there was no way out!

    What could possibly be worth eternity in hell? No wonder Jesus Christ warned so much about hell! No wonder Jesus said in Mark 8:36, “For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and LOSE HIS OWN SOUL?”
    Jesus Christ took hell very serious. . .
    Jesus Christ says in Mark 9:43-47,
    43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
    45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
    47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
    Jesus Christ took hell so serious — He could say without the slightest hesitation — to remove your eye, cut off your hand or foot, if that would keep you out of hell!

    If hell is not real — Jesus Christ was the most deceived man that ever lived!

    I’ll challenge anyone to read the words of Jesus Christ and tell me they are the words of a deceived man!

    Jesus Christ knew exactly what He was talking about!
    How did Jesus describe hell?
    Jesus Christ spoke more on hell than any other subject.
    Just look at how Jesus described hell:
    “fire” Matt 7:19, 13:40, 25:41
    “everlasting fire” Matt 18:8, 25:41
    “eternal damnation” Mark 3:29
    “hell fire” Matt 5:22, 18:9, Mark 9:47
    “damnation” Matt 23:14, Mark 12:40, Luke 20:47
    “damnation of hell” Matt 23:33
    “resurrection of damnation” John 5:29
    “furnace of fire” Matt 13:42, 50
    “the fire that never shall be quenched” Mark 9:43, 45
    “the fire is not quenched” Mark 9:44, 46, 48
    “Where their worm dieth not” Mark 9:44, 46, 48
    “wailing and gnashing of teeth” Matt 13:42, 50
    “weeping and gnashing of teeth” Matt 8:12, 22:13, 25:30
    “torments” Luke 16:23
    “tormented in this flame” Luke 16:24
    “place of torment” Luke 16:28
    “outer darkness” Matt 8:12, 22:13
    “everlasting punishment” Matt 25:46

    Hebrews 9:27 says, “And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this THE JUDGEMENT:”
    it is appointed unto man once to die . . .
    and one day — YOU will die . . .
    And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments . . .
    As you leave your body — you realize something is happening. You hear a sound. . . getting louder and louder. . . screaming . . .weeping. . . wailing. Terror and fear beyond anything you could imagine overtakes you. “This can’t be happening!” you scream. Your nostrils are filling with the awful stench of burning souls. Your face ignites from the heat. Flames are now blazing from your eyes, nostrils, ears, mouth — every opening in your body, flames are roaring out. Your body is sizzling and crackling from the flames.

    Your body is now madly thrashing and convulsing from the horrible pain. “Why don’t I die?”, you scream. You begin weeping and gnashing your teeth with the millions. “When will this pain stop?” But you know it will never stop. . .

    The darkness is so terrifying, it begins engulfing you. You feel something moving in the darkness. . . something horrible is happening. “No! No! This can’t be happening” you scream — as your worm is emerging.

    You begin cursing the day you were born. You scream — “Oh God, why didn’t you warn me?”— but you remember the preacher pleading with you to receive Jesus Christ. You remember reading that gospel tract. You cry — “God don’t you care?” — but you remember John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,. . .” “God is a God of love — He won’t allow this”, you cry — but you remember John 3:36, “. . . he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.”
    And you soon realize, that Jesus Christ was right!
    There is a place called hell.

    But God is a God of LOVE. . . Why would a GOD OF LOVE send me to hell? Yes, God is a GOD OF LOVE — but God is also a HOLY GOD. A HOLY GOD demands payment for sin. Otherwise God would NOT and could NOT be HOLY.

    Because God is holy — sin MUST be condemned. Joshua 24:19 says, “. . he is an HOLY GOD;. . . he will NOT forgive your transgressions nor your sins.”
    God does NOT want you in hell
    Hell was not made for man. Matthew 25:41 says, hell was, “. . . prepared for the devil and his angels:”
    Because God is a GOD OF LOVE, and He LOVED YOU so much, He sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to this earth to die a cruel death on a cross to pay the price a HOLY GOD demands for your sins.
    Romans 5:8 says, “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.”
    God does not send someone to hell. You choose hell when you reject Jesus Christ. When you refuse God’s love gift of eternal life in Jesus Christ. . .
    Millionaire Ted Turner, said in an interview, “I’m looking forward to dying and being cast into Hell. That’s where I belong.” You say — he’s a fool! But friend, when you say “No”; to Jesus Christ and His payment for your sin — you are saying the same thing! You’re telling God — I don’t need Jesus Christ — I’ll pay for my sins in hell!
    If you reject God’s gift of eternal life through Jesus Christ
    Dr. Rawlings has watched as thousands of people depart into eternity. Most people think they’ll somehow “sneak” into heaven, but Dr. Rawlings claims most people descend into the flames of hell!
    Jesus Christ gave a solemn warning in Matthew 7:21-23
    “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. . . MANY will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”
    If it was for a few days, a few months, a few years or even a million years, but to be tormented — FOREVER! You will despair of ever having any deliverance! You will beg for death itself to come and take you away! You will curse the day you were born! Revelation 14:11 says, “The smoke of their TORMENT ascendeth up for EVER AND EVER: and they have NO REST DAY NOR NIGHT.”
    What could possibly be worth eternity in hell?
    No wonder Jesus Christ said in Mark 8:36:
    “For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?”Mark 8:36:
    God has something far better than words can describe for those who love Him. I Corinthians 2:9 says:
    “. . . Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love Him.”I Corinthians 2:9
    Friend, there is a place called hell! And, if you continually refuse God’s gift of eternal life through Jesus Christ — just as sure as you live and breathe — ONE DAY YOU WILL WAKE UP IN HELL!
    Don’t wait until you die to find out the truth about Hell! Tomorrow may be too late! Proverbs 27:1 says, “Boast not thyself of tomorrow: for thou KNOWEST NOT what a day may bring forth.”

    Three people die every second, 180 every minute, since you started reading this — 2000 more people have gone into eternity! An automobile accident. . . A heart attack. . , A stroke. . .One thing is CERTAIN — you will DIE — today. . . tomorrow . . . a week. . . a month . . . a year. . . 5 years. . . 10 years. . . 20 years. . . 50 years — ONE THING IS CERTAIN —” . . .it is appointed unto man once TO DIE . . .”
    You may have made some terrible mistakes in your life. There may be some things in your life you would give anything to be able to change. But friend, I assure you — if you die without Jesus Christ — it’ll be the worst mistake you could possibly make!
    Has there ever come a time and a place in your life, when you received Jesus Christ as your personal Savior?
    If not, you are on the way to hell!
    Don’t let anyone convince you that when you die it will be all over! The Bible says in Hebrews 9:27:
    “And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this THE JUDGMENT.” Hebrews 9:27
    Revelation 20:15 says:
    “And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the LAKE OF FIRE.” Revelation 20:15
    If you’ve never received Jesus Christ as your Savior, bow your head this minute and ask the Lord Jesus Christ to save you.Don’t put it off another second!
    It’s simple to be saved …
    Realize you are a sinner.
    “As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:” Romans 3:10
    “… for there is no difference. For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;” Romans 3:23
    Realize you CAN NOT save yourself.
    “But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; …” Isaiah 64:6
    “Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, …” Titus 3:5
    Realize that Jesus Christ died on the cross to pay for your sins.
    “Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, …” 1 Peter 2:24
    “… Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,” Revelation 1:5
    Simply by faith receive Jesus Christ as your personal Savior.
    “But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:” John 1:12
    ” …Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.”” Acts 16:30,31
    “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 3:16
    Pray this prayer, and mean it with all your heart.
    Lord Jesus, I know that I am a sinner, and unless you save me I am lost forever. I thank you for dying for me at Calvary. I come to you now, Lord the best way I know how, and ask you to save me. I now receive you as my Savior. In Jesus Christ Name, Amen.
    “How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation;”
    Hebrews 2:3 AMEN

  • 69. Perfect Victor  |  November 15, 2009 at 9:19 pm

    KK2, Now that are through with proving that there is hell, which ofcourse there is and I didn’t ask you to prove, can you show me where I or Bro Branham said that there is no hell?
    I was quoting REVELATION 20:14 “And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.” Does that say there is no hell? Wake up!

    All I have been saying is that you are too theological in your thinking and even when Bro Branham says something you take it and break it down in pieces with the aim of finding faults and that is why it is not possible for me to make you understand.

    Look how biased you are? You try to make Bro Branham say what you want him to say so that you can say “You see I got him!” This is what he said.

    321-2 The Laodicean Age began around the turn of the Twentieth Century, perhaps 1906. How long will it last? As a servant of God who has had multitudes of visions, of which NONE has ever failed, let me predict (I did not say prophesy, but predict) that this age will end around 1977. If you will pardon a personal note here, I base this prediction on seven major continuous visions that came to me one Sunday morning in June, 1933. The Lord Jesus spoke to me and said that the coming of the Lord was drawing nigh, but that before He came, seven major events would transpire.

    My friend I love you with a christian love but I am worried you are not sincerely ready to learn, you are only contentious. That’s why you venture into something you know very little about. Are you able to give all the quotes of Bro Branham on the topics you mentioned? I know the answer is a big NO! Then how do you judge his doctrine with just a few quotations? The man preached over 1,180 recorded sermons just besides those that are yet to be discovered. He had little education and he didn’t know how to explain things theologically and systematically the way you do so, in each sermon he would just make a mention of these teachings. To understand him you must go through all his sermons. I personally have not been able to exhaust them for over twenty years. How do you purport to undserstand him by reading an individual quote?
    If you were sincere enough you would serek to talk it over with somebody who has studied his teachings well with an open mind. Otherwise, you know nothing. I can’t help you!

  • 70. Perfect Victor  |  November 15, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    KK2, by the way all but may be one of the seven visions were fulfilled. Besides, he had over hundreds of other visions that not even one ever failed to come true. No one else has ever produced anything close to that in history…not even the apostle Paul. We can comfortably say that it is only Jesus Christ that we cannot compare with Bro Branham.

    Even the Full Gospel businessmen Association said it
    “In Bible days, there were men of God who were prophets and seers. But in all the sacred records, none of these had a greater ministry than that of William Branham, a Prophet and Seer of God, whose photograph appears on the front cover of this issue of Full Gospel Men’s Voice. Branham has been used by God, in the Name of Jesus, to raise the dead.” (-Full Gospel Men’s Voice Magazine, February 1961)

    Any way it is not the miracles and wonders that prove he is a prophet becoz even false prophets do these things. But the supernatural vindications that accompanied his ministry are uniquely exceptional. In whose other evangelistic meetings in our age have you experienced the supernatural appearance of the pillar of fire as in the bible days of Moses, Jesus and Paul? Visibly before thousands of people, and history has it in record, this great supernatural light descended as Bro Branham preached and prayed for the sick. and when he left the earth it has never appeared again before people. there are however so many lies peddled about this humble man of God. You said that his most devoted follows believe that he will raise up from his grave. It depends on what you mean. Resurrection of the dead is a promise to all believers, including you if you believe. what you are talking about are not followers of Bro Branham. Any truth must also produce fanatics. fanatics are not believers!

    • 71. Job  |  September 21, 2015 at 2:01 pm

      May the LORD GOD bless you for telling the truth about his word.Eventhough men of earth may never see God sees your diligence as you fight for him

  • 72. E. Mbuye  |  May 5, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    I am writing from Namibia. I watched a video in which Dr. David Owuor prophesied a devastating earthquage in our country. Who is David Owuor? The basis of the judgment on Namibia is true – the church has really strayed from preaching Jesus and His salvation. We have become very materialistic in church, and sexual immorality abounds in and outside the church. Actually preaching has become difficult in that churcch members prefer nice and juicy prosperity messegaes to the salvation mkessage. Can Prophet David assist, because it woulld look like nothing is happening to heed the judgment. We do not know himi this part of the world

  • 73. E. Mbuye  |  May 5, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    I am writing from Namibia. I watched a video in which Dr. David Owuor prophesied a devastating earthquage in our country. Who is David Owuor? The basis of the judgment on Namibia is true – the church has really strayed from preaching Jesus and His salvation. We have become very materialistic in church, and sexual immorality abounds in and outside the church. Actually preaching has become difficult in that churcch members prefer nice and juicy prosperity messegaes to the salvation mkessage. Can Prophet David assist, because it woulld look like nothing is happening to heed the judgment. We do not know himi this part of the world.

  • 74. susan naliaka  |  May 17, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    It is clear that the church has been fully blinden and fallen into the darkest pit.Wherther they accept the truth or not,the train of repentance will move on and those that have ears have heard while those that have eyes have elready seen.now noone can nolonger urgue with the truth.The Lord has already knowm those who are His and has safely kept them.Leave them, they will be shocked after the rapture.Those in sexual sin ,continue!Those Panda Mbegu Guyz,withches etc. continue! we already know the truth.

  • 75. grego  |  June 14, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    WILLIAM BRANHAM (1909-1965)

    Branham was not Christian for his teachings contradict the bible. One example is opening the seven seals of Revelation:
    He said, “I saw seven angels in the form of a pyramid that swept down, picked me up and was brought east to open the seven seals of God” (Commissioned by Seven Mighty Angels). “Who is worthy to open the book and loose the seals? No man in heaven or earth was able to open the book except the lamb that was slain and redeemed us to God by his blood” (Rev. 5:1-10).
    The last Bible book is The Revelation of Jesus Christ not Branham. He nor any other sinner only Jesus could open the seals. Scripture is our sole rule for faith and practice so all must agree with it to separate truth from error. Their preachers read the bible through a Branham lens then rubber-stamp his lies with no objective bible study. Christianity is historic and evidential.
    Remember: Judas was one of the inner circle of the 12 Apostles who cast out devils, worked miracles, and looked like the real article but according to Jesus “was a devil” (John 6:70). That explains Branham’s ministry for wonderful works and prophecy can be marks of a wolf in sheep’s clothing (Matt. 7:15-23; Deut. 13:1-5). His evolving beliefs and ramblings about church ages, the bride, Rome etc. are conspiracy theories with no basis in reality. At best the whole shebang is the skin of truth stuffed with lies.
    A man from Edmonton stopped for a red light on Fraser Highway, Langley, BC., as a Branham tape rolled with maximum volume in his car. He said, “The Bible Way Church in Cloverdale is a cult.” This shows they have divisions. Holding the cross, I asked: “Who is the final authority that speaks for God in these last days?” He answered, “William Branham, the prophet to the lukewarm Laodicean church, the last of seven church ages.”
    Those churches were not in ages but in Asia 2,000 years ago. What does Hebrews 1:1-2 say?” I asked, but he did not know.
    It says: “God spoke in past times by prophets but today has spoken by Jesus” not Branham. They swallow cyanide in print and on tape by the megadose.
    Ashley in a donut shop said: “Branham was vindicated as a true prophet by a pillar of fire” as seen in a picture. In contrast, the right bible way to “judge” a prophet is to compare his words with God’s standard, the Bible (Acts 17:11; 1 Cor. 14:29). God in scripture does not give contradictory messages but Branham has other substandard demonic sources, pyramids and zodiacs. The errors mentioned here are a tip of the iceberg:

    Error #1: Branham Witchcraft:

    He said the zodiac and Egyptian pyramids are equal to Scripture in the revelation of God’s Word.2 He has a pyramid shaped tombstone in Indiana. Witchcraft, astrology and New Age all use pyramids and zodiacs for divination which means predicting the future. Mormon founder, Joseph Smith, saw pillars of light and angels. Russell, Jehovah’s Witness founder, measured Egyptian pyramids, changed inches to years, to confirm world’s end in 1914. Nothing happened so he added inches and years in later writings. Their next president, Rutherford, rejected pyramidology. Ellen White, 7th Day Adventist co-founder, predicted the end in 1844, Joseph Smith, 1891, Branham 1977. All had lying spirits in their mouths (1 Kings 22:22). It is biblical to name people who lie publicly (Acts 5:1-10).

    The Great Pyramid was the hub of a huge complex of cemeteries. Mummified kings were entombed with vast amounts of gold, food and other things to maintain an opulent lifestyle in the after-life. Poor people were buried with nothing in surrounding cemeteries. In that culture of death dads ended up as mummies. Pyramids have an Occultic alignment with the stars.
    Mummies were preserved life-like as possible to provide a permanent home for the soul to cheat death and have eternal life. Evidently the soul did not know the body was dead. The pyramid is an essential point of pilgrimage for Occultists, witches, magicians, necromancers (seekers of the dead) and a place of demons and spirits. All are an abomination (Deut. 18). Narrow passages through the rock allowed Occultic soul travel.
    Branham bought into these far-fetched fantasies saying the pyramid and zodiac are equal to scripture to reveal God’s word. A man at Jesus’ tomb said, “He is not here for he is risen” (Mark 16:6). What revelation of God’s word would Branham get from Egyptian cemeteries? Do fantasy-prone followers practice mummification at their churches? Benny Hinn visits graves to get anointing from bones.
    Zodiacs are used by witches and astrologers to tell the future and also enabled Branham to predict Jesus’ return in 1977. Astrologers, sorcerers and star gazers are abominable (Jer. 47:12,13).
    May 6, 2005: I stood on a street in Abbotsford, BC. with a Jesus sign. Soon a young lady dressed in black grabbed my cross, broke it in several pieces, threw it into traffic and walked home. Later, on her driveway, the witch turned to me saying, “Satan lives here!” then continued in a state of rage ordering me off her property.
    As a last resort she threatened to turn two pit bulls loose to drive me away. I said, “Bring them on! Dogs are my friends.” She opened her high fence gate and roared, “Attack! Attack!” Her dogs ran up to me and I petted one then extended my hand and said, “In Jesus Name.” She became quiet and walked down the street. Jesus can close mouths of lions, witches or dogs. All cultists are Satanists for Satan is the author of their belief systems. “Resist the devil and he will run” (James 4:7). Witches are enemies of the cross. See New Age article

    Error #2: Branham is Elijah:

    At a Seattle seminar a woman asked, “Why did God allow Branham to be killed in a car accident?” Morris Cerullo answered, “I think because followers lifted him up as Elijah and he went along with it.” Cerullo, like Copeland, has a deity complex and is duped exalting himself as a duplicate of God so his life is also in danger.
    In a meeting, Cerullo shouted, “You are not looking at Morris Cerullo; you are looking at God; you are looking at Jesus.” After Elijah went to heaven, his spirit rested upon Elisha (2 Kings 2:15). The same spirit came upon John the Baptist to fulfill Malachi 4:6, “turning hearts of fathers to children” (Luke 1:17).
    Only Jesus can restore all things (Acts 3:20,21). Eden Lost will become Eden Restored as seen in Revelation 21. Branhamites, like Hindus, believe in reincarnation saying their founder is Elijah returned. Jesus said, “Elias shall first come and restore all things” (Matt. 17:11). With slight of hand they lift this verse out of context as if it referred to Branham but the next two verses make it clear it is about John the Baptist. God the Father said to listen to Jesus not to Elijah (Matt. 17:3-5).

    Error #3: Jesus to return in 1977:

    “Jesus did not say no man could know the year, month or week in which his coming would be completed. I sincerely believe and maintain as a private student of the Word along with divine inspiration that 1977 ought to terminate the world systems and usher in the millennium.”1
    Did Jesus come in 1977? On page 10 of The Messenger we are told Branham is “infallible” so is in the same league as Popes. There is no need to speculate for the bible tells exactly when Jesus will return, when you least expect him “like a thief in the night” (1 Thess. 5:1). Prophetic words must be “judged” by comparing them with the bible record for God does not contradict himself (Acts 17:11; 1 Cor. 14:29). Writings of true prophets are scripture but Branham’s do not qualify. The Full Gospel Business Men’s Fellowship distanced themselves from Branham after he wanted his writings recognized as scripture.
    Aug. 3/02: A motor-mouth follower of Branham showed me a copy of a later edition of the book, Seven Church Ages, to prove my above quote wrong. He claimed “divine inspiration” so blamed God for his lies. In the new edition it appears they deleted “divine inspiration.” Truly, a slight of mind and hand as they repackage the lies. In the Bible, false prophets did not correct false prophecies but were stoned to death.
    California did not slide into the ocean as predicted (tape: choosing a bride). The USA was not destroyed by atomic bombs and The World Council of Churches did not consume all denominations under control of Roman Catholics by 1977. He should have read his tea leaves again. It is a non-prophet organization based on speculation not revelation. Tune up your balogna detector! False prophets and fortune tellers were killed (Deut. 13:1-5; 18:20-22) and the same thing happened to Branham and Mormon founder, Joseph Smith who was shot in jail. Prophecies, visions and dreams that do not square with scripture are mind delusions and unbridled speculation from fertile imaginations. The ground-hog’s predictions are by far more accurate. Catholic visionaries speak of praying to Mary.
    The church is built on the foundation of Jesus’ apostles and Old Testament prophets. Jesus is the Chief Cornerstone (Eph. 2:20). When you erect a building, a foundation is laid once. “God spoke in times past by prophets but in these last days has spoken by his Son” (Heb. 1:1,2). Jesus is the greatest “Apostle” (Heb. 3:1). False prophesying is like shooting an arrow into a tree then painting a bull’s eye around it. They make predictions then with slight of mind and newspaper theology revise history to make it appear they came true. Jesus told the future to the world’s end in Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21 and Revelation so there is no need for guessing games. Prophets today repeat what scripture says about the past, present and future to build up, stir up and cheer up believers (1 Cor. 14:3).
    We are told Branham was accurate in his predictions in spite of his record showing Jesus returning in 1977. The bible tells us a false prophet can show a sign that comes to pass to convince you to go after his false gods but that prophet shall be put to death (Deut. 13: 1-5). Many have followed Branham’s false god and false Christ after seeing an imaginary sign.

    Error #4: The Serpent had Sex with Eve:

    The Theatre of the Absurd continues: Branham said the serpent in Eden was the missing link between man and monkey. Truly, a giant leap for mankind! Does he have fossils or transitional forms to confirm evolution? Species lines do not cross since every creature reproduces after its kind. He said reptiles mate with humans: “Man and animal did mingle. Eve had sex with the snake and Cain was born.”3 The Bible says, “Adam knew his wife and she conceived and bare Cain then said I received a man from the Lord” [not from Satan] (Genesis 4:1). Where are the hybrids, Nephalim, half snake and half human like mermaids? Sons of God, believers, and daughters of men, unbelievers, had children who became mighty men like Goliath not hybrids (Gen. 6:4). Missing links are still missing. This wild distortion shows he overdosed on false doctrine. What was he smoking?
    He also claimed Eve’s eating was adultery with the serpent. Genesis 3:15 is the first mention of the Gospel and says Jesus would step on the snake’s [Satan’s] head. This is symbolic of Jesus defeating Satan at Calvary and does not refer to a literal snake in Eden. Metaphors tell what Satan is like not what he looks like. He is cunning and devious like a snake, produces fear like a “roaring lion” and is also like a dragon in Revelation. The snake “crawling on its belly in the dust” is symbolic of Jesus putting his enemies under his feet and shows the extent of Satan‘s fall, from heaven to walking on earth (1 Cor. 15:25; Job 1:7).
    Bob Larson, Neil Anderson and John Hagee echo the same mythology that demons have sex with humans. To believe that one must be psychotic, out of touch with reality. Their sophistry is pure sensationalism with no basis in reality since demons have neither physical bodies nor human sperm but are fallen angels that do not procreate.
    Larson speaks of male and female sexual spirits, Incubus and Secubus, and uses the bible like a sword to castrate male sex demons and lies claiming Christians can be demon possessed. Brigham Young, polygamist Mormon false prophet, said, “Adam God was resurrected, had sex with Mary and Jesus was born.” They have more hang-ups than a dry cleaner! All liars shall have their part in the lake of fire (Rev. 21:8). Don’t be like a half-cooked piece of spaghetti. Stand against this superstitious rubbish.
    A Branhamite threatened: “I will put an Ichabod curse on you!” The whole scene is more like black magik of Voodoo than Christianity with its collective madness and doorways to the Occult: pyramids, zodiacs, sex perversion, curses, missing links, a created Jesus, false gods, men as legalistic control freaks and dictators, women as doormats, reincarnation, fake healings, snakes and women having sex, out of body experiences, false prophecies, trances, women haters, tape brainwashing, motor mouths, angels of light and a pyramid-shaped church with no cross in Cloverdale. False prophets: Kenneth Hagin, and Copeland endorse Branham. There is no sign of Christianity in the above list.

    Error #5: Legalism & Brainwashing:

    Branham said: “You be sure to say just what the tape says. Don’t say nothing else because I don’t say that of my own it’s him that says it.” Some left Hutterite colonies and joined Branham. A colony is considered an ark on a troubled sea and only those in the ark will be saved. The controlling Colony Boss thinks all others are brain dead and does all their thinking. Just kiss your brains good-bye when you join this cult.
    Regimented Hutterite women with long hair wear dresses that sweep the floor and listen to 500 year old sermons so they easily adapt to the dictator/doormat suffocating Branham lifestyle. The issue of “head covering” is not a command but a cultural custom we can ignore (1 Cor. 11:1-16). Romans had a custom of “greeting one another with a holy kiss” that does not fit into our culture today (Romans 16:16). Muslims wear traditional veils that have nothing to do with spirituality only outward appearance since God looks on the heart. Jews practice outward flesh circumcision which was fulfilled by heart circumcision and a changed life (Romans 2:28, 29).
    This chauvinistic, barbaric subculture with subjugation of women by dehumanized male control freaks reminds me of Mormons and polygamy, Jehovah Witness slavery or the brutal Taliban regime in Afghanistan. Men ruling over women is part of the curse from the Garden of Eden (Genesis 3:16). In Christianity there is “neither Jew nor gentile, male nor female” (Gal. 3:28). A Branham follower said, “Women are there to serve men.” We are all called to serve each other and to esteem others better than ourselves. In this protocol, wives must feel like maids.
    God is not apartheid, practicing racial or gender segregation, since the only supreme race in the Bible is the human race. Abraham was the father of many nations. If you are in Christ, the one Royal Seed, you are an heir of the promises through Abraham’s seed, Jesus.
    Branham said it was politically incorrect to give women the vote then added, “While growing up I hated women and have to watch every move now to keep from thinking the same thing.”4 How can one hate women or anyone else and claim to be a Christian? This forerunner of the Taliban with a dictator/doormat, master/slave outdated view of women and no love is like “sounding brass and tinkling symbols” (1 Cor. 13:1). A 2007 study showed that bullying or belittling your spouse causes fear, stress and heart attacks.
    Their main brainwashing method is listening to Branham’s old heretical tapes. Some call them tapeworms. “God spoke in times past by prophets but in these last days has spoken by his Son” (Heb. 1:1,2). They lie and twist this Scripture like a pretzel saying, “In these last days God speaks by Branham.” When their motor-mouths start they run memorized tapes. Mormons, United Pentecostals, Crossroads Church of Christ, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and Moonies are also very divisive and exercise suffocating control with members on a virtual leash in a cage. They have no credibility of their own so they use Christian words but pour their own heretical meanings into them.

    Error #6: A False Christ & Salvation:

    Paul warned of a false Jesus, gospel and spirit (2 Cor. 11:4). Their belief system teaches that Jesus is a created being not the Creator “not eternal but had a beginning.”5 Jesus created all things (John 1:3; Col. 1:16). He is O Immanuel, The God with us (Matt. 1:23 Greek; John 1:1). Astronaut, Neal Armstrong, said, “It is more important that God walked on earth than man walked on the moon.”
    Branham denied the Holy Spirit is a person and believed like Christian Science: “He is word manifested thought.”6 Also, “In the beginning Christ was not God but an attribute that was a thought”(The Mighty God Unveiled Before us, p.11). If Jesus did not exist before his birth, how could he be “with the Father before the world began?” (John 17:5). Branham corrected Jesus: “Multitudes who were not born again will go into eternal life.”7 Did he mean eternal life in hell? Compare that with Jesus’ words (John 3:1-16). He also said hell is not eternal. We can find forgiveness of sins by praying to a priest if we have the right Priest, Jesus Christ, The Great High Priest (Heb. 4:14). Jesus is : “God manifest in flesh: (1 Tim. 3:16)

    Error #7: The Rock is revelation:

    Branham said the church is built on the rock of revelation.8 “That Rock is Christ” not revelation (1 Cor. 10:4). The sayings of Jesus are also rock and all the rest is shifting sand (Matt. 7:24). Seven church ages is a myth. The churches were in Asia not in ages (Rev. 1:11). They existed in the first century and do not represent this age. Branham said denominations are the mark of the beast so he organized another one. Christians in Ephesus burned their occult books (Acts 19:19). You have nothing to lose but your darkness and chains so burn Branham books and tapes. Pray: God be merciful to me a sinner.

    Error #8: Fake Healing:

    In the Bible, gifts of healings are from the Spirit (1 Cor. 12). Branham said a 200 pound barefoot angel did the healing so he obviously weighed the angel. Satan disguises himself as an angel of light (2 Cor. 11:1-15). He spoke of fireballs in his meetings but he is the only one that saw them. Demonic altered states of consciousness produce these mind games. The circus is run from the monkey cage. He is so far from the truth you can’t get a radar fix on him.
    In a Winnipeg crusade, a newspaper told of many healings. Later, reporters checked and found all had become worse or died. It was a form of mass hysteria and hypnotism where people see what they want to see. With slight of hand and mind he created the mirage of healing and claimed to discern cancer through vibrations and swelled hands. He prayed for people and declared the cancers dead then said they would be sick for a few days until poisons came out of their bodies. Did Jesus ever say that to people? Branham left town well healed in his wallet but his patients died.

    Error #9: A False God:

    Branham said: “In the beginning God was not even God just a thought” (The Spoken Word, Vol. 3, p.79). If God did not exist but was only a thought, who had the thought? This is counterfeit Christianity. God doesn’t have to think, He knows! The truth is the Eternal Father had an Eternal Son. When you have a false God and false Christ it follows that everything else in the colossal hoax is false as minds are clouded by fantasy.
    In his book, The Mighty God unveiled before us, he claimed to be one of the manifest Sons of God and said, “God always had skin on him” which is like human Mormon gods. The Christian God is spirit with neither skin nor bones (John 4:24; Luke 24:39). The belief that “God always had skin on him” denies the incarnation which tells us at a point in time “the Word became flesh” after coming down from heaven (John 1:1,14; 6:33). Mary wrapped her gift to the world and laid him in a manger for there was no room in the Inn. Make room for Jesus for there is room at the cross for you. Branham could not tell the difference between The Spoken Word, the Bible, and the Living Word, Jesus.
    Branham believed the modalistic Oneness doctrine of God which denies the trinity and teaches Jesus is his own father and the only person in the Godhead who appeared in three different modes like one actor coming on stage at different times as three different persons. He said Jesus appeared as Father in the Old Testament, as Son in the Gospels and as Holy Spirit in Acts but the Father and Spirit are both in Genesis 1:2.
    Sabellius, a third century Egyptian philosopher and expert in pyramidology (not theology), started this heresy. It includes United Pentecostals, most Apostolics, T.D.Jakes, Rod Parsley, Arnold Murray and others. Oneness people were excommunicated from the Assemblies of God, USA, about 1914. At Jesus’ baptism, the Father spoke from heaven and the Spirit descended in the form of a dove (Matt. 3:16,17). All three persons were present at the same time so how can Jesus be the only one in the Godhead? Was Jesus praying to himself from the cross, “Father, forgive them for they know not what they do?” (Luke 23:34). They say Jesus’ human nature prayed to his divine nature but it is separate persons that communicate not natures.
    In his rapture tape, Branham corrected the Bible and traced the seven church ages to “Enoch, the seventh from Noah.” In contrast, the Bible says, “Enoch was seventh from Adam,” not Noah (Jude 14). He claims Enoch’s rapture to heaven is “a type of the seven church ages and this age takes the rapture.”
    His misled, biblically illiterate followers with no compass, in an altered state of consciousness, are totally confused by winds of doctrine and commandments of men. Like witches, New Agers, and French astrologer, Nostradamus, Branham received revelations from the angel of light, Satan, by using zodiacs and pyramids. Extra-biblical revelations are the foundation of cultism. They are directed by shooting stars not the North Star, the Bible. Kenneth Hagin and Copeland were influenced by Branham and we see that fruit is like the heretical tree as both claim to be Gods. The best way to find out if a man is a God or not is to ask his wife. That is the acid test. Hagin built his cult on an incorrect translation of the Greek word “Rhema” which means “wicked words of persecutors” (Mat. 5:11). He said it is a creative word but only the Creator, not human creatures, can speak creative words. Copeland said “God is the greatest failure of all time.” He commands God but clay cannot command the Potter (Isaiah 45). See Copeland article:
    The majority have the gift of gab as motor- mouths go 60 miles an hour with gusts to 100. Trying to get a word in edgewise in this irrational emotionalism is an exercise in futility. “A fool is full of words” (Eccl. 10:14). Their motor-mouths start then run old memorized heretical Branham tapes. They should join Compulsive Talkers Anon Anon Anonymous.

    ERROR #10: Baptism Cleanses From Sin:

    They put the cart before the horse saying waters of baptism wash away sin. Remission of sins comes by believing in Jesus (Acts 10:43). One must believe “with all his heart” before baptism (Acts 8:37). The biblical command is to first repent then be baptized (Acts 2:38). Baptism is a symbol showing you believe in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ and you are dead to your old life and risen to walk in newness of life (Romans 6). A wedding ring is a symbol of marriage but if you lost your ring you are still married. Also, if you believe in Jesus but do not have the symbol, baptism, you are still a Christian.
    The gospel does not include baptism (1 Cor. 1:17). Our sins are washed away by the blood of Jesus not by water (Rev. 1:5). Saul of Tarsus had his sins washed away by “calling on the Lord” then became the Apostle Paul (Acts 22:16). The true bible way is to baptize believers, Christians. Unbelievers will be damned not unbaptized believers (Mark 16:16). Noah’s flood is likened unto baptism but he was righteous before going through the waters just as believers are righteous before baptism (1 Peter 3:20,21).
    United Pentecostals held a convention in Tulsa, Oklahoma. I met them at various places and without exception they asked, “What formula was used in your baptism?” It reminded me of babies in high chairs bawling about their formula. We are not saved by works, by anything we do, including baptism or speaking in tongues. Salvation is possible only by what Jesus did for us at Calvary. Baptizing an unbeliever changes him from a dry to a wet hell-bound sinner. Salvation is Christ plus nothing. There is no infant baptism in scripture.
    “In the name of Jesus” means “in the authority of Jesus.” It is not some magic mantra. Imagine a policeman at your door saying, “Open in the name of the law.” Does the law have a name? It means in the authority of the law. Cornelius changed the sequence of the Oneness formula. He believed, received the Holy Spirit then was baptized (Acts 10:42-48).
    You can’t expect them to understand baptism when they are confused about the Godhead. Error begets more error. Like Jehovah’s Witnesses, they speak of the trinity as three heads on one neck. God, the Father, is invisible Spirit with neither neck, flesh nor bones (John 4:24; Luke 24:39). Minds become like concrete, all mixed up and firmly set. Let’s hang together or they will hang us separately.
    The first two verses in Hebrews puts the whole Branham belief system in the garbage can. It says: “God spoke in the past by prophets but now speaks by Jesus” not Branham. Jesus is that prophet who will restore all things (Acts 3:19-26). The restoration is described in Revelation 21, Eden lost becomes Eden restored.
    The best Branham can do is destroy but Jesus restores. The death rate is one per person so accept Christ now. Branham followers no doubt teach their children not to lie but they endorse Branham’s lies that contradict the Bible. All cultists are Satanists for Satan is the author of their belief systems. Burn Branham tapes and books as in Acts 19:19 and renounce all works of darkness. Run, don’t walk, to the nearest exit.
    Branham followers no doubt expect me and other Christians to roll over and play dead as they insist we have the Mark of the Beast which they interpret as belonging to some other denomination other than their Bible Way. The Bible says “Give an answer” (1 Peter 3:15). It is not unloving to tell the truth.
    7th Day Adventists echo the same condemnation saying we must go to their church on Saturday but Sunday worship is The Mark of the Beast. Will the real Beast please stand up? Adventists who keep all rules and the Sabbath are “Weak in Faith” (Romans 14). Judge nobody by Sabbaths (Col. 2:16).Click here for Adventist article
    The Gospel that saves is a Down-To-Earth message of Jesus coming down to earth from heaven to save us from our sins (1 Cor.15:1-4; John 6:33). If I was guilty and sentenced to hang but some innocent person loved me and died as my substitute to pay my penalty I could go free. Christ died in our place but we must accept his pardon and free gift of salvation not of works by praying, “God be merciful to me a sinner (Luke 18:10-14). At death we are “carried by angels” to the place of comfort or torment (Luke 16:22). A great gulf exists between believers in Paradise and those separated from God (v.26).
    Branham, Branhamized cult leaders and others display mule mentality like the mule Jesus rode into Jerusalem (Matt. 21). Crowds shouted and waved palm branches as Jesus entered the city. The Mule was impressed with the celebration and thought: It is all about me. I am very popular here! But it did not realize the focus was on Jesus riding on his back not himself.
    In like manner, bad apples masquerading as oranges read the bible then with fortress mentality conclude: “It is all about me. I write by divine inspiration; I opened the seven seals of Revelation; I will restore all things; I am a God; I know the end will come in 1977; I am Elijah the last days prophet; I get revelations from pyramids and zodiacs; I command God.”
    Moses’ serpent on a pole was a preview of Jesus on the cross (John 3:14-16), also the Passover Lamb and Jewish sacrificial system, temple destruction, Jonah and the fish, baptism and the Lord’s supper point to his death, burial and resurrection (1 Cor. 5:7; John 2:19-21; Mat. 12:40; Rom. 6; 1 Cor. 11). Jesus, speaking of the scriptures said, “It is all about Me” (John 5:39). The whole cultic belief system with its false hopes is a placebo for the disease called sin. The death-rate is one per-person so accept the real Jesus now. If you are sucked into the black hole of cultism, running on empty and fear, pray: Jesus, forgive my sins as I receive you as my Saviour. Deliver me from my abyss of deception, in Jesus name, Amen.
    All churches have one thing in common, none can save, Jesus Saves (Matt. 1:21). I have attended Alliance, Assembly of God, Pentecostal (PAOC), Baptist and Christian Life Assembly churches. Trade Branham for Jesus! Don’t be concerned about hair loss for it will be restored in the hair-after!

    • 76. Perfect Victor  |  June 17, 2010 at 7:38 am

      This is a lot of trash! How do I respond? I request you first to do your own proper research on William Branhham. Of course you have tried to give some facts but I thik you still do not know William Branham. All you have done is to copy and paste what critics have written.
      Tell me, If the devil pretends to be God does that make God the devil? You accuse Jehovah witness, SDA and others calling them false. But do you know all denominations are of the devil? God never started a religious system he brings his word fresh through jis servants. Men start denominations and God leaves them before they introduce their systems. Bro Branham did not start a denomination, he preached to the existing ones and they hated him because he wanted to break their systems and bring them back to the word. Many of them have websites to discredit what he taught. What they do is corrupt or twist what he taught. of course even some of those who follow him started systems and introduced false teachings. All this is the work of the devil.
      I don’t blame you, because you are also fed with false information about the servant of God. But please try also to get your information from those who know his life and ministry well. you can try wikipedia which is just a bit independent. God bless you.

    • 77. Salim  |  September 25, 2010 at 11:20 am

      Hi Grego,

      Sorry I am joining this talk a bit late but am concerned about what you cited in your error # 9. You wrote inter alia,

      “The best way to find out if a man is a God or not is to ask his wife. That is the acid test.”

      I am deeply concerned with this your acid test and am wondering where you are getting it from. Do you believe in the Bible really?

      Do you remember Jesus said he who is sent by God speaks of God? From where do you speak? What is your authority? I fully believe it is not the Holy Bible.

      But lets go. What would Job’s wife answer if you asked her whether Job was a man of God or not?

      I also invite you to read 1Corrinthians 7:12 and 1Timothy 2:11-15 concentrate in verse 14 and tell me if your test is still acid test or it has now become water test.

      A woman can never be used to judge a man. In any case you will have to answer for your wife and not vice-versa. Who is the head of the other according to 1 Corrinthians 11:3?

      Read your Bible before you engage Perfect Victor in babbling and vain talk. The Bible is its own interpreter. It was written for private interpretation please. Grow in the Spirit.

      God bless you abundantly.

    • 78. Salim  |  September 25, 2010 at 11:24 am

      Sorry. My last statement should read:
      “It was NOT written for private interpretation please.”

      Thanks and God bless.

  • 79. perfect victor  |  June 14, 2010 at 11:41 pm

    Now, the problem with many of you is that you rely so much on heresay. I am sure Grego, that you are not sure of what you are saying, because there is nothing you said that can be verified. First, most of what you claim to be Br Branham’s “claims” and “teachings” is not true! I think it is better to keep quiet than to argue about things you do not understand.
    Many people are taught that those who believe what Bro Branham taught are followers of a cult, but now if I asked you to tell me what a cult is, am sure, you won’t be able to convince even a fool… the word has no meaning at all because every religion, according to the definition, is a cult!
    We all follow a man, we all read teachings of the men we follow, we all adhere to the teachings of the men we follow. And that’s God’s ordained way. We must, at one point or another, follow a man. Paul in 1Corinthians 11:1 said “Follow me as I follow Christ” When Dathan, Korah and Abiram refused to be led by Moses, God would have wiped the whole of the Israelite children had that same Moses not intervened. Catholics follw the Pope, Anglicans follow the bishop of England, Pentecostals have their numerous spiritual leaders to follow and so on. What is worse is that your denominations even have headquarters here on earth where you get orders from. Bro Branham taught us that we should only have one headquarter and that’s from heaven above, our spiritual leader is the holy spirit, not some bishop, Not even Branham himself! That’s why we don’t even call him “Reverend” or “overseer” or “pope” or anything. He is a sinner saved by grace like any of us. All we say, and which can be proved and verified is that God used this humble man to reveal the truth in our generation. And even the religious leaders of his time attest to this. The fact that some have corrupted his teachings either deliberately or without knowing does not nullify this fact. What i advise you is to sit down and study his teachings carefully before you critisize. otherwise, as you continue to make attempts to descredit his life and teachings you begin to expose your ignorance. Many have talked negatively before without wisdom..and realized it is the truth, but that may not necssarily be the case with everyone. you need to be patient with God to reveal to you the truth. it may not seem to be truth to you and that’s still fine, why should I argue with you. It is given by predestination. Jesus said “No one comes to me, except my father calls him. may God have mercy on you.

  • 80. perfect victor  |  June 15, 2010 at 12:18 am

    I can say much about pentecostals because I am one. I can tell you about Catholics because I was born one, and still am a staunch Catholic. I do not know much about Owuor, but I think the man is trying the best he can to get people back to God. It is just his teachings that are not lined up with the scriptures. but I support his purpose and intentions. All other Christians, we can say, are trying, even the ones that Dr Owuor accuses of sexual sin. And I don’t support their actions either! But I also know of a pastor of the alter of Holiness and Repentance near me which Owuor propagates who was moving around with school children, he chased away his wife and is married to another one, contrary to 1Timothy 3:1 -8. None of us is clean, No indeed. But by his grace i am perfect, atleast in his sight! And I would wish all of us were, I believe some of you are his children and also be can perfect. He promised it in Matthew 5:48. His word makes us perfect. And his word comes through his servants. Why you doubt that William Branham is one of them, I don’t know. If he was wrong in his teachings then that is still okay! But show us what you have done for the kingdom of God. many of us are only interested in making money. This man died a poor man yet he preached to Kings and the wealthy. Those who came to know christ through his ministry are uncountable. How many have you brought? You say he is a false prophet, alright, go on but remember one of these days there will be a showdown…we will see who’s really true prophet. your religious pharasitical leaders who even tell lies in the name of fighting for a sound political dispensation. Since when did God send preachers to preach or guide the masses on politics. Reprobate! hirelings! and hypocrites! why even the politicians themselves know it is a dirty game. Shame on you who trust in what they tell you about Bro Branham! His teachings exposed their hypocritical lies and that’s why they write all these falsehoods about him. the blind are now leading the blind. my brother wake up before it is too late.

  • 81. grego  |  June 16, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    Thanks for the response to what I posted above.

    You wrote…”All we say, and which can be proved and verified is that God used this humble man to reveal the truth in our generation…”

    Did he really reveal the truth (or lies such as serpent seed, no hell/lake of fire, pyramids/zodiac revelations, deny trinity, false predictions of 1977, God was not God in the beginning (this is abomination of highest order) etc etc) with all these evidence that he spoke contrary to holy scriptures. Be sincere with yourself and before God and admit Branham teachings had a lot of things unscriptural. and you may have known this for now! I have tried my best to help you see for yourself that W.M. Branham was in error, may be he was ok at the begining of his teachings but later may have gotten his “revelations” from “other sources”. This I sincerely believe it’s true: He was deceived and deceived multitudes including you perfect victor.

    What’s wrong with you Victor? you seem to contradict yourself here, you say “…I do not know much about Owuor, but I think the man is trying the best he can to get people back to God. It is just his teachings that are not lined up with the scriptures. but I support his purpose and intentions.”

    If you know that someone is teachings what does not line with scriptures, why do you still support him? you are not helping him here. tell him the truth if you know he is wrong. OK?

  • 82. Perfect Victor  |  June 17, 2010 at 12:01 am

    Good! You ask, Did he really reveal the truth? A BIG YES (or lies such as serpent seed, no hell/lake of fire, pyramids/zodiac revelations, deny trinity, false predictions of 1977, God was not God in the beginning (this is abomination of highest order) etc etc)
    1. You are sure that the serpent’s seed as taught by Brother Branham is not biblical or your ignorant bible teacher told you so? Let the best of your teachers challenge me on this, I won’t argue with proud -for – nothing – religious novices.
    2. Can you show where he taught that there is no hell/lake of fire? Who told you this? That is new to me. Please stop proving to me that even understanding simple Kentucky English is a challenge to you.
    3. There is nothing like pyramids/zodiac revelation in the teachings of Bro Branham. He simply used this typology to show what God has done in the spiritual because he had little education. Doesn’t even scripture prove that before God does something here on earth he shows it with signs in the heavens? I know what your carnal minds are thinking about, but remember the three wise men (astrologers) first knew about Jesus’ birth before most religious people in Jerusalem knew about it. But ofcourse you are simply making a mountain out of a bump!
    4. Bro Branham believed in trinity of offices and manifestations of one God. What he didn’t believe is trinity of persons of God. That’s paganism! Three persons will make three gods not one God. Show me Holy trinity in the bible if you can. I have challenged PhDs, LLDs DDs and they have never been able to produce the scriptures. Can you help them now that you pretend to know? Branham was also not oneness pentecostal as some allege.
    5. About predictions, most of what he prophesied has already happened, infact six out of the seven prophesies. If the prediction alone (which was his opinion not God’s) stumbles you then you need to go back to the alter. Prophets reveal God’s truth while giving God’s word not when they give their opinion. Your idolatrous mentality makes you think that a prophet cannot be entitled to his own personal opinion. Sorry!
    6. The word God means “an object of worship.” You modern people worship three God’s in one God (Holy trinity) SHIT! What’s that and where is it in the bible? It doesn’t even make sense! God was not an object of worship before he created angels to worship him. Bro Branham never said “he was not worshipped in the beginning” that’s again your bible teacher’s propaganda, but before the beginning. Is it too hard for you to grasp the fact that God our father, the spirit, who lived alone and covered space and eternity had nothing to worship him until he created angels? God had NO BEGINNING but those who worship him HAD A BEGGINNING. Wake up from your slumber my friend! What was he then before he created worshipers? El, Elah Elohim, the self existent strength. He didn’t require worship to be Elohim but when he was worshiped he earned the title of God. Were you a father before you sired your first child? No? But the attributes of being a father were there. When they were expressed through your seed germ you became a father. Does that now ring a bell in your head?
    7. I am sure the rest of what you call to Etc. Etc could still be propaganda and not the teachings of William Branham.
    I will stick by what I said about Dr Owuor; the man is sincere in what he is trying to do, I will be wrong if I don’t support it, OK? It is better to have the wrong doctrine and be right in the spirit than to be right in doctrine and have the wrong spirit. 1 Corinthians 13 says “even if I knew all the mysteries but I didn’t have love…”
    You think I am deceived but I can assure you that I know what I am saying better than you think. It is unfortunate you are so biased in your thinking that I doubt if you can grasp anything that Bro Branham taught and I think that’s why you resort to twisting some of his teachings.

  • 83. grego  |  June 17, 2010 at 11:53 am

    Thanks for replying.

  • 84. Salim  |  September 25, 2010 at 11:28 am

    I really want to go through your discussion with Victor and other people then I will comment on a number of issues which I find very disturbing.

    For now thanks and God bless.

  • 85. Perfectvictor  |  October 2, 2010 at 7:54 pm


  • 86. Gregory  |  October 12, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    What is it salim? What is disturbing you? Have you now realise what you’ve been believing to be true may be false?

    your wrote: Sorry I am joining this talk a bit late but am concerned about what you cited in your error # 9. You wrote inter alia,

    “The best way to find out if a man is a God or not is to ask his wife. That is the acid test.”

    You didn’t read well It didn say if a man is a man of God which you use to defend your opinion.

    The above statement was meant to rebuke those who claim they are God; for no human is a God.

    This is just on a lighter note: asking a wife whether the husband is a God, the wife will resbond no he is NOT for she surely sees his weaknesses, failings as a human
    I repeat the statement didn’t say whether a man is a man of GOD.
    hope I have made it clear.

  • 87. Salim  |  October 14, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    Thanks Gregory.

    Don’t get excited so much. No man can be sent by God unless God makes him (the man) God. Read your Bible well. I know you are saying all these in reference to our dear and humble William Marrion Branham.

    I now invite to look at the following verses:
    John 10:34-35

    10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

    10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

    Psalms 82: 6
    82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

    Exodus 4:16
    4:16 And he shall be thy spokesman unto the people: and he shall be, even he shall be to thee instead of a mouth, and thou shalt be to him instead of God.

    Read your Bible well and get the reference “God/gods” in its right context please. If that simple thing offends you, how will you receive the greater mysteries of GOD?

    When God annoints and sends a man, that man ceases to be human and becomes God, otherwise no man will listen to him. Real genuine believers were designed to hear God’s words not man’s words (John 8:47)

    “He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.”

    Read the Word of God under inspiration please and get so excited over very little issues.

  • 88. Gregory  |  October 21, 2010 at 9:24 am

    Strange and false doctrines!!! I wish NOT to participate any further in this discussion.
    You wrote “When God annoints and sends a man, that man ceases to be human and becomes God…” The man remains to be man and God remain to be God. Annointed man yes but man cannot change and become GOD. NEVER!!!!!!!

  • 89. Gregory  |  October 21, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    Today we hear in many Christian circles that we are called to be gods. What used to be spoken only in silence and promoted by pseudo-Christian cults is now being openly declared in much of mainline Christianity. There is a movie called “The God Makers” which was distributed and shown in churches a few years ago which criticized the teaching of the Mormon church on this subject, and now this very same teaching is being promoted from various pulpits and many TV evangelists all across America.

    Does the Bible teach that we are gods, or that we ever will be gods? Those who teach this refer to John 10:34, “Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?” as the scriptural base for such belief.

    Let’s study this and see if Jesus was telling the Jews who were about to stone him that they are gods or not. If we read the verses that proceed this verse, (starting at vs. 24) the Jews asked Jesus to tell them plainly if He was the Christ or not. He answered by saying that He is the one who gives eternal life (vs.28) and that He and the Father are one. (vs.30) For saying this, the Jews took up stones to stone Him. Jesus asked for which good works were they going to stone him? (vs.32) They answered and said, not for the good works, but for blasphemy, being a man, making yourself as God. (Vs.33) Jesus replied, “in the scriptures, I said, you are gods. And if he called them gods, then how can you say I blasphemed?” In other words, why didn’t you stone others who are just mere men when the scriptures say that you are gods?

    The Jews were correct in saying that mere man is not God, but since Jesus is God, then it was not blasphemy. Jesus was quoting Psalms 82:6 “I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High”. Verse 7 continues, “But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes”.

    The tone and the explanation of Psalms 82: 6 are best understood when we read 1 Samuel 8: 4-7. “Then all the elders of Israel gathered themselves together, and came to Samuel unto Ramah, and said unto them, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations. But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the Lord. And the Lord said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.”

    In other words, they desired to be their own gods which is exactly what the first lie of Satan was that we find recorded in Genesis 3:5. “For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes will be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.”

    The desire to be as God is the reason that Lucifer fell, and it should be no surprise that he should tempt man with the same temptation that seized his own heart, to partake of the same desire which he had within himself. (Isaiah 14:13-14) Satan told a half lie and half truth (as he is famous for doing), because we see in Genesis 3:22 that God said, “Behold, the man has become as one of us (“us” is the trinity), to know good and evil.” It is true that man has the knowledge of good and evil, just as does God, but the difference is that God has the knowledge of good and evil and hates evil and cannot be tempted by it. Man not only is tempted by evil, but also loves evil and is incapable of doing anything about it. The reason is because man is not God and can never be God. If man were a god, then it would only stand to reason that he would have the capacity to have life within himself and would never do anything evil. However, the reality is that man does great evil and will die as man.

    When God appointed kings to rule over nations, those whom God appointed, were His representatives to rule as gods, but when man declared that they would not have God to reign over them, they die as men.

    Man never was God and can never be God, and only by the grace and mercy of God can man even be declared righteous and given the privilege of being the representative of God on this earth and throughout eternity. This explanation is what Jesus told the Jews in John 10: 34, and it was not a compliment, in fact it was a rebuke, and to teach and believe this scripture as being proof we can be gods is not only heretical, but is blasphemous as well.

    If you may be one who has been caught up in this heretical teaching, I hope and pray that the Holy Spirit will convict you of this falsehood for this reason. Upon repentance, there you will find rest, peace of mind, joy and hope, trusting in God and not in ourselves. I have been there, the pressure involved in trying to be something which we were never called to be is to much for mere man to bear, that is why only God is God.

  • 90. Salim  |  October 22, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    Is very good you you rushed at first but when you had studied your Bible you finally concurred with me, although you still sound as if we still differ.

    You explained inter alia:

    “When God appointed kings to rule over nations, those whom God appointed, were His representatives to rule as gods, but when man declared that they would not have God to reign over them, they die as men.

    Man never was God and can never be God, and only by the grace and mercy of God can man even be declared righteous and given the privilege of being the representative of God on this earth and throughout eternity. This explanation is what Jesus told the Jews in John 10: 34, and it was not a compliment, in fact it was a rebuke, and to teach and believe this scripture as being proof we can be gods is not only heretical, but is blasphemous as well.”

    That is exactly what I meant and in that context. Is good u’ve got it. Otherwise the rest of your communication was vain argument which Paul discourages me from engaging in. You don’t have to interpret the Bible please Gregory. God do not need an interpreter, HE is HIS own interpreter.

    Thanks for opening your heart to understand God’s Word.

  • 91. RaptureisNear  |  January 6, 2011 at 10:31 am

    Hi all,

    Warning and caution to all believers in Christ Jesus: Beware of the Blue Beam Rapture, the False Rapture with Holograms in the sky.

    False Rapture may come before the true Rapture. Don’t say you were not given this warning. Many true believers will think they have been left behind when false rapture takes place and people are taken/evaporated in blue beam. Jesus will come rapture you wherever you are don’t rush to different places when told to go certain place where rapture will take place or something similar to that…these are evil times Matt 24:23-24

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  • 92. RaptureisNear  |  January 6, 2011 at 10:31 am

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    the Lord Jesus is coming. prepare the way for Him

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  • 95. Prophet Thomas Manton IV  |  January 7, 2012 at 3:48 am

    • It is God’s will for you to live in total prosperity, total health and total wellness in your body, soul, spirit and life!
    • It is God’s will for you to be completely free from every other influence but His alone!
    • When you walk in this realm of greatness, your circumstances will have to amend; because of the spiritual power of righteousness that is overpowering all evil and carnal influences against your life! So be it now, in Jesus Christ’s mighty Name!
    God’s given ‘law of dominion’ in Genesis 1:26-28. One way to ‘exercise’ dominion is to tithe, sow and give. When we actually ‘do’ these wise operations, God opens up the windows of Heaven over us; and pours out increased blessings to us! He also rebukes ‘devourer-devils’ and ‘evil-people’ from us, casting them away from us, for our own good! This is just too-good of a promise for us to pass up! Do you see that? Moreover, God didn’t simply suggest this law of His to us. He actually commands us to do it all, because He really loves us! He said in Malachi 3, that a ‘financial-curse’ will be released over the finances of the ones that do not tithe. We shouldn’t argue this point at all. We should only just obey this, because God said so. And we then ‘prove’ Him in blessing us as we obey His Voice, by taking the appropriate-actions. If you have been in battles and struggles in your finances, there good reason for it. Perhaps you’ve not obeyed Scripture. Proverbs tells us: “The curse does not come without cause.” Life on earth is ruled by laws of cause and effect; action and reaction; and, behaviours and consequences. Find out from God where He wants you to tithe; and make sure you definitely, on purpose, by divine-design, sow good seeds, and give generous offerings. Proverbs also says: “The life of the generous-person will become a well-watered garden.” The quicker you take decisive and specific actions in strict-obedience to God’s Laws; the faster your life will experience and receive more of God’s great blessings and increases into your Life! So be it, in Jesus’ mighty Name! (Read: Malachi 3:8-12; 2 Corinthians 9:8; 1 Corinthians 16:2; Proverbs 3:9,10)
    2. See If You Are Honouring Your Parents Correctly. Jesus said to us in Matthew 5 that we need to: Honour our fathers and mothers so all will go well with us; and so that we will live long upon the earth.
    3. See If You Have Clearly Heard, Documented And Obeyed God’s Personal Instructions To You. (God’s ‘Rhema’ Words to you must become paramount in your life. The instructions He gives you must be more important to you than anything else in this world; that is, if you want to experience His Divine-Success!)
    4. Evaluate Your Compliance To God’s Ten-Commandments. (There are rules and regulations in Christianity! Some also come to us from ancient times in Biblical history. I.E. – The blessed Law of Dominion given to us from Genesis 1:26-28, And, the Ten-Commandments that Almighty God gave directly to Moses on the mountaintop. Jesus later repeated these commandments; and these ‘prophetic-commands’ then also became New Testament ‘law’ for us. Remember, when a king speaks, what He says becomes ‘law’ in His Kingdom. (See also, Ecclesiastes 8:4) Let us go through these ‘laws’ of God’s Kingdom to see how our personal-lives ‘fair’ in the light of these commandments. Let us then make any necessary adjustments in our codes of conduct to please the Lord! Our Father knows best what we should and should not be doing! What He tells us to do, we must do; and as we do the things He tells us to do, we will be blessed!
    5. Pray To God About Your Life. Ask God to forgive you and then cleanse you from everything you have ever done wrong! Get cleansed and delivered from the bad effects from whatever you have done, or not done, that is not in accordance with His will. Ask God for more of His grace, and ask Him to help you do everything He desires, and is expecting you to do! Ask Him for His perfect-direction and guidance for your life. Find, discover and operate fully in the Life-Assignment He has given you. Adjust all of your endeavours to only be the ones He has ordained, and you will see His mighty Hand move greatly in your life, more and more!
    6. Make Sure You Are Honouring And Remaining In Good Fellowship With, And Respect Toward God’s True-Servants. In order to be blessed in greater-measures, you should always push yourself and go the ‘extra-mile’ in respecting God’s messengers. Disrespecting and disappointing them can release spiritual-frustrations into your life. You don’t want any of those, believe me! If you are criticizing or gossiping against them, stop that now! If you want to be blessed, bless God’s servants, and the Anointing’s they carry will begin to move upon you!
    7. Check Your Environments; And Friendships And Associations. Proverbs tells us: “He who walks with the wise shall become wiser; but the companion of fools will be destroyed.
    8. Worship God & Pray! And Break-Through Into The Realm Of The Spirit. When you get into God’s ‘manifested’ presence, you will receive and experience the Holy Spirit’s peace, joy and strength; and His revelation inspiration and empowerment!
    9.Expand And Enlarge Your Thinking And Your Mind-sets. Proverbs tells us: “As a man thinks in his heart, so is he.”
    10. Help The Poor Get Out Of Their Poverty. When you help the poor, you lend to the Lord; and He will repay you, in abundance!
    11. Ask God To Give You A Greater Zeal For Him. The Spirit of the Living God desires to move upon you with His mighty power and passion, and literally possess your life! Will you allow this process to happen? If you do, you will be proving yourself to be a lover of God. He will then surround your life with His glory; and make you a warrior for His Kingdom! So be it!
    12. Embrace The ‘Great Commission’ Greater Than You Ever Have Done Before. John 3:16 tells us that God wants to redeem mankind, through the mediation of Salvation through His Son, Our Lord Jesus Christ. Winning souls is still, and always will be, the single greatest-thing we can ever do in advancing the Kingdom of God on Earth! Proverbs tells us: “He who wins souls is wise.” In the end of it all, every single soul on earth will account to God, and be cast into hell if they are not washed in the Blood of Jesus Christ, the Lamb of Glory! *So then, let us be driven with God’s passion, and win souls! Amen!
    The devil wants you to think you cannot change:
    1.Your circumstances.
    2.Your personality.
    3.Your weaknesses.
    • A man can get depressed when he feels powerless.
    • But, I have great news for you today! You + God can change both you & your circumstances!
    • You can bind, break & destroy every adverse spiritual situation that is against you, in Jesus’ mighty Name!
    • God Almighty has given us power & authority in His Word, His Name & His Blood to beat down every devil, situation and circumstance!
    Jesus Came Into The World To Destroy The Works Of The Devil! (1 John 3:8)
    • In Acts 10:38, we see that: “Jesus went about doing good, and healing all who were oppressed by the devil!”
    • In Gen. 1:26-28, God gave authority to Adam to take dominion and rule the Earth.
    • Unfortunately, Adam rebelled against God; thereby relinquishing some of that authority to satan.
    • Later, the ‘second’ Adam~ Jesus Christ came into the world to take back this authority that satan stole from Adam in the Garden of Eden.
    • Then Jesus gave that authority back to us, His Church!
    • (Read Luke 10:19 & Matt.28:18)
    • So, now, we must exercise it and destroy the works of the devil in our generation!
    • Do you see, believe and understand this? Will you now exercise this authority that you have already been given by God?
    Never Allow ‘Negative-Emotions’ To Remain And Be Working Inside You!
    Never let your feelings, or other peoples’ desires, steer you away from the total-victory God has ordained for you to walk in, and to live in!
    • It is God’s will for you to live in total prosperity, total health and total wellness in your body, soul, spirit and life!
    • It is God’s will for you to be completely free from every other influence but His alone!
    • When you walk in this realm of greatness, your circumstances will have to amend; because of the spiritual power of righteousness that is overpowering all evil and carnal influences against your life! So be it now, in Jesus Christ’s mighty Name!

  • 96. Okutah peter  |  January 26, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    What qualifies a man to be aprophet? The Bible gives out the answer-isaiha 20:8 it’s not only the miracles infact the old testament prohets carried the law throughtout their messages to mean that the pple were in sin and need to repent by calling people to repent without pointing to them the law of Jehova is to make no repentance at all, because sin is the the transgression of the law. 1kings 18:17-18, 1john 3:4…..

  • 97. Kamoet duncan  |  May 28, 2012 at 11:49 am

    Dont ever joke with prophet David edward owuor, his the end time prophet and if you’r a bible reader the revisit the book of malachi chapter 5. Kenya must repent and turn back to the lord!.

  • 98. Evangelist mathew Sigei  |  September 15, 2012 at 10:02 am

    I believe that you’re the genuine prophet of The most High GOD sent to us. I need your Prayers very much to live 100% holy and be His vessel for His glory. IN 1994 Jesus appeared to me at 3:00a.m after prayer and layed His hand on me and instantly I saw myself praying for the sick and they rose up and walked. I do request for your prayers and advice. Iam eagerly waiting for the WORD FROM THE LORD THROUGH YOU HIS PROPHET. Thanks. Ev.Mathew c. Sigei

  • 99. superc  |  January 3, 2013 at 9:15 pm

    Prophet Edward is true man of GOd.i pay my tithe and i still believe that our churches are putting too much emphasis on money that holiness and righteous living. 1 COR 5: 19 states that if your hope in Christ is only in this life you are of all men very miserable

  • 100. perfectvictor  |  January 4, 2013 at 10:37 am

    Though I am not a follower of Dr Edward David Owuor there are many things I like about him. First, Prophet Dr. David Owuor declares on his website that he acknowledges the Bible as the principle foundation and the only unchanging, infallible and authoritative Word of God. This is very important. Secondly, Dr. Owuor is the only minister I know of who has inconsistently maintained that holiness and repentance is needed in the church. Thirdly, there are three things that determine whether a minister of the word shall remain focused or not; the love for money (prosperity gospel), the love for women (sexual immorality) and Dr. Owuor has managed to sail above these traps.
    Another thing that Dr Owuor has managed to check, to some extent, is the lust for fame. But there is always the temptation and desire amongst most ministers of the word to pull multitudes. Most times it begins as a genuine desire to reach as many people as possible but if not checked develops into idolism. Sometimes, the very man that God has raised up to lead the people out of corrupt religious systems may, without knowing, eventually be crowned a “holy man” by the people.

    In I CORINTHIANS 4:6 Paul warns;
    “ And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and [to] Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think [of men] above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.”

    This is what great ministers like Paul had to check (1 Corinthians 1:12 -14) to succeed. It happened in the ministry of William Branham. He almost left the ministry when some people started baptizing in his name. History records that the greatest wonder about Martin Luther wasn’t how he was able to protest against the Catholic Church and get by with it but how he managed to control the fanaticism that followed it, and rise up out of all of it.

    The best way for a minister to avoid being made something above what he should be is to stay focused, and identify his position in the body of Christ. There are five gifts given to men by God for the edification of the church, commonly referred to as the fivefold ministry, namely; prophets, teachers, apostles, evangelists and pastors. It is only possible for a dispensational prophet to have all of them. The rest of us can have at most two and again we will be more inclined towards one. A prophet should not purport to teach the word simply because God has shown him visions. In fact, his visions should be checked by the gift of teaching to confirm they line up with the word. A teacher should not purport to see visions because that is not his duty. This sequence applies to the rest of the ministers in the fivefold ministry. But when a minister is praised so much by people there is an overwhelming feeling of esteem that makes him loose focus. If the man was called to be a prophet, he starts thinking that he can teach, evangelize, pastor and do missionary work. It is human nature! But unless the man is a dispensational prophet like Moses, it is very likely that he will try to be something he isn’t or worse still move into spiritualism or something worse.

    NUMBERS 12:6 -8 says;
    6) And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, [I] the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, [and] will speak unto him in a dream.
    7) My servant Moses [is] not so, who [is] faithful in all mine house.
    8) With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses? William Branham, who even didn’t claim to be anything, was one such dispensational prophet.

    Prophet Owuor is indeed a prophet of God, with ability to dream and probably see visions but he is not a dispensational prophet sent to a specific dispensation with a message and a ministry like that of Moses, Elijah, Jesus and Bro Branham. That’s why whenever he prophesies through visions and dreams they come true but when he purports to teach, his teachings are found way out of harmony with the word. Those who follow him do so without even caring if there is a need to put to test some of the things he says. In the Old Testament they had the Urim and thumim, and every dream, vision or prophecy had to be subjected to approval by the Urim and Thumim. In the New Testament we are told to try all spirits. The only way to try spirits is to apply the word test. Most of Dr. Owuor’s visions and dreams pass the word test. But some are confusing in that we can’t tell exactly what he is talking about. This is when he veers off from stating the circumstances in the vision and begins to take the role of a teacher. Isn’t there a man out there with the gift of teaching to put him on the track?

    Of course, I have no doubt that most of the visions, prophecies and miracles reported to be associated with Dr Owuor’s ministry really exist. But again even intellectual faith produces these things. What I cannot understand is that Prophet Owuor seems to have most of his visions at night when he is supposed to be asleep. Nothing against that but we may need to probe, at this point, whether actually the prophet has mistaken dreams to be visions or indeed whether God has chosen to show him visions mostly at night. It is possible for visions to come at night but not when one is asleep. Visions, unlike dreams, only occur when one is awake. Prophet Owuor In the vision of The pale horseman of the apocalypse says “… during the 24-hour stopover in Johannesburg, on that July 29th 2009, as I slumbered on the chairs at the airport waiting lounge, the Lord again spoke with me about the coming of the Messiah. It was in the very busy airport hours between 2-4pm when I slumbered, and saw the visions of the Lord regarding the rapture of the church.” How can that be?
    We need to understand the difference between visions, dreams, and trance and also be able to differentiate that from a visitation by the angel of the Lord, which only occurs to the dispensational prophet as in NUMBERS 12. “With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold:” But again what is more interesting is that in most of this visions there is very little dialogue with God. Instead we find him making conclusions of what he presumes God wanted to say or make him understand. This manner of visitations is only common with dreams. These could well have been dreams. A good example is found in the Vision of Wedding Rings in the Sky.
    In this Vision of Wedding Rings in the Sky and many others, the prophet (for He indeed is a prophet) gives lengthy explanations with very little or no evidence of dialogue with God.
    Let’s look at a few excerpts;
    1. “Moreover, the Lord God also intended this to bring my complete understanding into the great skilfulness and marvellous craftsmanship that he had invested into the designing of these rings. Why didn’t he let God say it?
    2. The Lord did this so as to emphasize the gravity of importance that he attaches to the wedding of the Lamb. Surely, the Lord should have spoken here!
    3. How long this flipping, tilting and rotating lasted, I could not say but all I can remember is that the Lord made me aware of his heart-felt sense of accomplishment and achievement at this adornation.
    4. It were as though God Almighty was contently saying, “Look and see what I have done all this time in preparation for the wedding of the Lamb.”
    5. This offered me a great lesson on the importance of not only doing things to accomplish Gods assigned task, but most importantly doing them most excellently.
    I think if indeed this was a visitation of the angel of the Lord in a vision, God would have talked, and if not, He would have showed the prophet visions that would not leave the prophet guessing what the Lord was saying. Nowhere in the bible do we find visitations of this nature. The prophet would otherwise have been justified to guess on what the vision meant but not what was said in the vision. And again in any scriptural vision, what is said MUST stand the test of the scriptures.
    The only time that the Lord speaks in this Vision of Wedding Rings in the Sky is where the prophet states and I quote “This caused me to tremble in this vision as the mighty voice of the Lord SAID, “From today on, all authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Christ Jesus.” Remember this is 2010 and the Lord here is saying that “FROM TODAY” all authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Christ Jesus. That means before that day it was not so. BUT this cannot be true because Jesus already said so 2000 years ago in Matthew 28: 18 “And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, all power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.”
    Some have questioned some of Dr Owuor’s prophecies such as prophecy regarding EIFFEL TOWER IN FRANCE and NEUCLEAR REACTORS in Japan and say God cannot talk about people in France when he means people in Japan and that the Korean WAR never happened as prophesied. Some query his so called “ghostly” TV camera glare PALE horse.” Whether all this is true or not, it remains common knowledge that Dr. Owuor prophesied about the Tsunami and many other events, proving he has a gift of prophecy from God. However, having a true gift of prophecy from God is one thing and being sent with a message from God to His people is another thing. In the bible, certain people who went against God’s will in their age, like Balaam and Caiaphas indeed foresaw the coming, and the death of Jesus Christ.
    There is not one gift or calling that is proof that one has been sent by God. Romans
    11:29 says; For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. The Devil
    Impersonates all the gifts of God. Now I do not mean that Owuor is of the devil. No, I
    do believe He is a servant of the Living God. But there is a possibility that he sometimes
    speaks presumptuously

    Deuteronomy 18: 20, 21, 22
    But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not
    Commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even
    that Prophet shall die.
    And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not
    When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to
    pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it
    Presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

    Most people err by looking only at the part of this scripture which states “When a
    prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass”,
    and they quickly conclude that he is a false prophet. The bible does not even say so. It
    only says that “that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the
    prophet hath spoken it presumptuously” In other words the prophet is only
    presuming, it is not THUS SAITH THE LORD. It is possible for a true prophet to speak
    presumptuously and that should never be taken to be the Word Of the Lord.

    However, the worst that a prophet could do, which many people do not examine, is to
    speak in the name of other gods. And this includes;

    1. Speaking something that is contrary to what God has said in His word.
    2. Speaking against God’s dispensational program.
    3. Speaking without God’s vindication.

    A prophet may be vindicated by signs and wonders and yet be against God’s revealed
    Word and program for that dispensation. Balaam was a prophet of God just like Judas
    was a disciple of Jesus Christ. Korah, Dathan and Abiram were leaders of the
    congregations of Israel, chosen by God but all these fought the word and program of
    God in their days. Whatever they said, however genuine and true, was in the name of
    gods other than Jehovah God. Their teachings were condemned in Jude verse 11
    because they spoke in the name of other gods, or contrary to what the prophet of God
    Moses had said.
    This is also what happens when a prophet takes the office of teaching which God did
    not send him with, and Prophet Owuor therefore at times speaks presumptuously,
    and contrary to what God has said in His word as I will prove herebelow;

    1. Prophet Owuor allows women preachers on the pulpit contrary to 1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law…for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. Verse 36 What? Came the word of God out from you? Or came it unto you only? And verse 37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. In other words this is THUS SAITH THE LORD and any prophet who differs with this is speaking in the name of other gods.
    2. Dr Owuor believes in “one God; ETERNALLY EXISTENT IN THREE PERSONS: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.” Now, if this statement of faith on his website is anything to go by then he still needs to be enlightened about the Godhead. This is not scriptural. There is a discrepancy in the doctrine as the belief breaks the very First Commandment of God that says, “Thou shalt have no other gods before Me”. Revelation 4:2 states that there is only “one throne” in heaven. How can three persons be one God? God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit is not even mentioned in the bible.
    3. The statement of faith also says “We believe that the Holy Spirit is the Third Person of the Trinity.” The bible does not speak of any first, second and third person of the Trinity. There is only ONE Lord Jesus Christ who is the First and Last. He is the fullness of the Godhead. In Him lived the father in the form of the Holy Spirit making the son and the father ONE God who manifested Himself in the flesh of the man, Jesus.
    4. The statement of faith partly says “We believe that the Church of Christ is the eternal…” But the Salvation Prayer says “Write my name in the Lamb’s Book of Life,” It is carnality to think that there is a literal book with names. And again, If the church is eternal then it goes without saying that she never had a beginning and never will have an end. Their names were written in the book of life before the foundation of the world and have never been removed; so why would someone ask God to put the names in the book now? This is ridiculous!
    I will stick by what I said about Dr Owuor; the man is sincere in what he is trying to do, I would be wrong if I don’t support it, OK? It is better to have the wrong doctrine and be right in the spirit than to be right in doctrine and have the wrong spirit. 1 Corinthians 13 says “even if I knew all the mysteries but I didn’t have love…”
    But God gave us our last chance to repent when his scriptural prophet was here. Brother William Marrion Branham was sent to our generation with vindications of the Holy Spirit and manifestations of the power of God.
    Let me repeat by saying that I totally agree with Dr. Owuor that holiness and repentance is needed in the church and this is what the prophet of God William Branham taught, but Dr. Owuor misses the point when he calls upon Christians to repent on behalf of others. You don’t need to have been through a bible school to know that God deals with every individual who sins individually.
    I can’t deny that God can judge a city or a nation for its sins but I have a problem with the people of the alters of “Holiness and Repentance” when they require us to repent for the sins of a whole nation like Kenya, the sins of forefathers, the sins of men, youth, women etc. Where do you find this? God dealt only with Israel as a nation but again the scriptures are clear that Israel was called by God as a nation and God deals with them as such. When the Lord sent the seventy two he said “Go only to the lost of the house of Israel…” But after they had crucified him he rose up and commanded the disciples to go “…into the entire world” to ‘’whosoever believeth” and this Israel excluded because they were blinded to this very minute. Soon the two witnesses of Revelation 11:3 will take the gospel to them after the gentile bride is raptured and some 1444,000 Jews will accept Christ.
    EZEKIEL 18:19 & 20
    19 Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, [and] hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live.
    20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
    This whole nation indeed needs to repent, (though we know the whole nation will not repent, no matter what we do) but it is every individual’s responsibility to repent for his or her own sins. The unbeliever and the believer are very distinct from each other. God deals with each distinctly. He deals with every gentile as an individual! Acts 2:38 requires each individual to repent once and be baptized and afterwards live a life worthy of the gospel, a life that does not require repentance from time to time. And again, there is a great big difference between “Repentance” which is “turning completely from our old ways” and “Confessing” which is “admitting the faults we have committed” and it is a pity that Dr Owuor cannot differentiate this.
    How do you keep turning away from your old ways every sunday…!!!
    HEBREWS 6:1
    1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
    1 John 3:9 says; whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
    So what you do when you are a Christian is a fault, you need to confess it and ASK FOR FORGIVENESS not REPENT.
    JAMES 5:16
    16 Confess [your] faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
    God does not consider it sin because he knows you don’t do it intentionally, you slipped into it because of the sin that our father Adam injected into us (as long as you are in this flesh you’ll desire to do good but evil still abides in you (Romans 7:21) I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.) but also, Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin (Romans 4:8) .
    Dr. Owuor is God’s prophet but I doubt that God could have sent him to confuse people. The man of God needs to listen to gifted teachers of the word have to tell him and his gift will operate very perfectly. I am blessed when God uses him to foretell the future, and I will believe it unless it turns out to be a scam.

    Pastor of Victory Valley House
    A ministry of Message Believers Fellowship


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